Lets nerf WAR :D

[Syzygian]

Oh yes let's not forget how 2.0 made Warriors incapable of tanking, and Paladins the most useless garbage there was because NO THREAT. In fact PLD was patched the most times because of this.
And don't get me started on DRK.

PLD and DRK are bad because of bad design.

Please get started on DRK. I'd love to hear.

DRK has only 1 CD with a recast of more than 90s, not counting Living Dead, I've never had to stagger CDs in any fight that required full uptime of mitigation (which is very few). In A2S for example, there's zero need to pop a CD in the last 30 seconds of finishing off the last mob or two in any of the waves. Hell you spend half that fight out of tank stance until the Jagd Dolls show up anyway.

DRK is not far behind WAR in terms of viability, really the only thing it is missing that WAR has is a slashing debuff and the very high OT DPS and burst. DRK can actually outperform WAR in MT DPS with proper stance dancing and the slashing debuff, albeit not by much. DRK is nowhere near as problematic as PLD is right now. DRK is actually very well designed if you know how to properly use its tools (i.e. popping Dark Dance to proc Reprisal when you need it, not boosting your evasion/blinding things when you have Blood Price up, and other such dumb mistakes that people like to say are a fault of the job's design and not of their poor play). Get it to 60 and start progressing in savage on it and then we can talk about its design.

[Freyyy]

DRK can actually outperform WAR in MT DPS with proper stance dancing and the slashing debuff, albeit not by much

I pretty much agree with all you said but I'll just add that if tanking a boss that doesn't let you get out of tanking stance much, DRK is pretty far ahead of WAR in terms of MT DPS. It's kinda impressive. Tho it highly depends on parry and Low Blows RNG, but even with bad luck it's still insanely high for a MT.

I still find something pretty conflicting about DRK, the fact that it's that highly parry-related while being the best magical tank. When fighting an enemy which hits only with magic you have no Reprisal nor Low Blow procs. Not that it's a problem (seriously, you don't even need Reprisal when tanking a magic boss, but it's still a DPS loss to not have it bruh) but it seems like the developpers didn't put all of their thoughts into that precise thing.

[Syzygian]

I pretty much agree with all you said but I'll just add that if tanking a boss that doesn't let you get out of tanking stance much, DRK is pretty far ahead of WAR in terms of MT DPS. It's kinda impressive. Tho it highly depends on parry and Low Blows RNG, but even with bad luck it's still insanely high for a MT. I still find something pretty conflicting about DRK, the fact that it's that highly parry-related while being the best magical tank. When fighting an enemy which hits only with magic you have no Reprisal nor Low Blow procs. Not that it's a problem (seriously, you don't even need Reprisal when tanking a magic boss, but it's still a DPS loss to not have it bruh) but it seems like the developpers didn't put all of their thoughts into that precise thing.

Yeah about the MT DPS, not a lot of people realize that. That's why I hate it when people say DRK is busted or needs crazy buffs like PLD. In a DRK/WAR or DRK/PLD composition no matter what raid dps will always be highest when the DRK MTs.

I see where you're coming from with the parry focus + magic thing. But I feel like between their other CDs and Dark Dance, they do alright. I went into A2S with everyone telling me DRK's are like wet paper bags in there, it really wasn't that bad. I feel like PLD's shield is only ever so slightly ahead, other than Bulwark and Sheltron its not as though they have anything DRK doesn't. And no tank has as legitimate, physical version of Dark Mind.

One other thing on this topic is how people are still saying Foresight is trash. 20% of our defense stat now is such a huge number compared to what it was pre-HW. People forget it scales with gear. I still wouldn't pop it alone when tanking anything that deals meaningful damage but its certainly not as garbage as it is still as ubiquitously thought to be. Honestly, on the whole in this game physical damage just straight-up is not as threatening as magic damage.

I think DRK's physical mitigation only seems so small because of scenarios like for instance, popping DA DM and Shadow Wall against magic tank busters and if you get crit with an Adlo take 0 damage. It has the -necessary- mitigation to survive high physical damage, just nothing so over the top. TBs are crazy weak in this current meta. Half the time, I'm eating them without an Adlo or SS or Virus, whereas I remember in t13 people had rotations set up so you would have almost all of those things plus all your cooldowns every time, and nowadays, half the time healers don't even bother. I think this also contributes to tanking things outside of tank stance being more commonplace than ever, as exponentially more damage is being dealt over the course of the fight through other sources than through TBs (don't even get me started on A3S autoattacks), even more so now than compared to 2.x, thus healers have less room than ever to DPS and tanks have less reason to stay in tank stance due to the healer focus already being so high on incoming damage.