Lets nerf WAR :D

[Aurelinaus]

Yet most peoples here only talk about SwO buffs when real problem is in tank stance, SwO damage is more than fine its the ShO that lags behind coupled with lower enmity modifiers like you said. Now if penalty was roughly same as WAR/DRK and modifiers got fixed alot of issues would propably go away, only real issue left would be clunky stance swapping due GCD but that can be dealt.

Quoted figures are incorrect WAR tank stance penalty is penalty 12%, PLD tank stance penalty is also 12% not 20%, they completely forgot about FoF. DRK stance penalty is correct though.

Edit: also PLD does not have lower enmity modifiers they are the same it is the combo'd potencies that are slightly lower (e.g. Halone potency is 260, vs BB's 280 before buffs), and I am still wondering how that correlates to lower tank damage since out of the 3 finishers one is a DoT, and the other two branch off the enmity combo.

[NFaelivrin]

Just saw a video of A3S 7man done with 2xWAR. Anybody who thinks Warrior isn't an overpowered monstrosity is delusional.

[Snowy_Mist]

Mfw i keep looking at salty paladins profiles who are crying for war nerfs and have no gordian pieces and probably just run df alex and have trouble in that.
http://media.giphy.com/media/a3zqvrH40Cdhu/giphy.gif

not srs.



semi-srs. Generalisation and exaggeration but thats whats happening from the other side.

[konpachizaraki]

Just saw a video of A3S 7man done with 2xWAR. Anybody who thinks Warrior isn't an overpowered monstrosity is delusional.

can you give me the link of the video? i want to watch it too

[JohnMccain]

Just saw a video of A3S 7man done with 2xWAR. Anybody who thinks Warrior isn't an overpowered monstrosity is delusional.

Did you even bother looking at the parse? Their tank dps was the same or not less than any other top tier groups using different comps. No, I think it is the other way around. Clearly you are a delusional PLD. You keep insisting that WAR is overpowered, yet there are DRKs out there that are doing around the same amount of damage(given they have the slashing debuff). Hey so I guess since WAR should receive a nerf, DRK should as well so that they are both in line with PLD?

[Kaisersoke]

Did you even bother looking at the parse? Their tank dps was the same or not less than any other top tier groups using different comps. No, I think it is the other way around. Clearly you are a delusional PLD. You keep insisting that WAR is overpowered, yet there are DRKs out there that are doing around the same amount of damage(given they have the slashing debuff). Hey so I guess since WAR should receive a nerf, DRK should as well so that they are both in line with PLD?

warrior doesnt have to depend on another class to consistently be better than other tanks. i doubt this information is very accurate regardless though, warrior easily out damages drk out of tankstance, in any and every situation, which is why its the default offtank for literally every endgame raid group. even if drk WAS as good as war out of tankstance, it wouldnt edge warrior out of a raid spot purely on the utility warrior brings with storms path/storms eye.

[Tyrial]

warrior doesnt have to depend on another class to consistently be better than other tanks. i doubt this information is very accurate regardless though, warrior easily out damages drk out of tankstance, in any and every situation, which is why its the default offtank for literally every endgame raid group. even if drk WAS as good as war out of tankstance, it wouldnt edge warrior out of a raid spot purely on the utility warrior brings with storms path/storms eye.

Funny...because certain people in this thread get their panties in a bunch when anything remotely close to taking Reprisal and changing it so as not to require a parry is mentioned.

Slashing comes from two sources. Damage reduction comes from two sources. INT reduction comes from two sources. I fail to see how WAR is the issue. WAR has perfect synergy with the kit it was given, that's not our fault. If the Devs feel WAR needs a nerf then so be it, I won't be on the forums complaining about it in countless threads. But I don't see why anyone is on here practically demanding that a job get nerfed just because the one they picked instead is suffering. Did you guys go around and break all the toys on the playground when yours broke?

Most of the people in these threads probably don't even do Savage (the only place where it currently matters what DPS/Utility a job brings) and it's nothing more than bandwagon bitching.

[Kaisersoke]

nobody said it was your fault the war kit is so strong, i dont know where youre getting that from, nobody is demanding warrior be nerfed either, last i checked this was a forum for the discussion of ideas, and this thread happens to be discussing how much stronger warrior is than other tanks. the amount of different classes that provide those utilities is also irrelevant. warrior allows you to bring a monk to forego slashing from ninja, warrior has incredible uptime on storms path for damage, whereas reprisals uptime is pathetic by comparison. its about the utility and dps warriors bring compared to their peers.

instead of just mindlessly complaining about someone elses opinions, perhaps you should open your mind to the realities of how much warrior outclasses the two other tanks in several areas. if only the other two "toys" were as broken as warrior, then perhaps it wouldnt stand out so much.

mind you, i dont main tanks, ive always dps'd and healed, and without bias, id prefer tanks to be balanced and have their own strengths and weaknesses, whereas it seems you just want your toy to have nothing but a list of strengths, and thats understandable. but its not fair, to the warriors who enjoy the job they play and are missing out on raid spots because of the mass exodus of players abandoning paladin to play warrior, to the paladin players who had to switch to drk/war because their class is gimped. hell its not even fair that drk is the end all, be all for main tanking, and the fact that you acknowledge this current meta and only see suggestions as personal attacks on your job being a problem, show an underlying issue with your willingness to sacrifice overbearing personal strength for the sake of a fun, diverse endgame

edit: after checking your lodestone and seeing that the only class you extensively play is warrior, i understand why youre so opposed to the idea that your job is too strong, but before you continue, i suggest you finish leveling paladin, and come back after youve had more of an outside perspective. try doing savage as paladin, youll almost certainly come back with a different opinion, and im not saying youll want warrior nerfed, im saying you will understand why so many people are asking for a more balanced meta for tanks.

[Tyrial]

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It doesn't matter what WAR allows you to do in terms of a party comp, the point I was making is that the utility that a WAR brings is available from other sources as well. If DRK and PLD were on par with WAR in other areas then there would be no issues. The fact is that WAR pulls more DPS and brings multiple essential utilities all in one package. I've already admitted this. But it doesn't change the fact that asking for nerfs is dumb. You don't reduce the effectiveness of something just to make it as effective as it's counterpart. As for the comments from people about buffing PLD and DRK to equal WAR would break raiding...well I guess SE would have to design better raids then instead of putting in BS DPS checks just to artificially block progression.

And to be perfectly honest, I miss the days of tanks being tanks, not having to worry about how much DPS they're pulling. Gameplay should be more engaging to the point where the actual challenge of tanking comes from properly managing CDs to keep yourself alive not knowing when to use a CD so that you can sit in your DPS stance for longer.

edit: after checking your lodestone and seeing that the only class you extensively play is warrior, i understand why youre so opposed to the idea that your job is too strong, but before you continue, i suggest you finish leveling paladin, and come back after youve had more of an outside perspective. try doing savage as paladin, youll almost certainly come back with a different opinion, and im not saying youll want warrior nerfed, im saying you will understand why so many people are asking for a more balanced meta for tanks.

You're assuming that based on the fact that WAR is currently my only 60 tank class that that's all I play. I mained PLD from Beta until the end of 2.x when my Raid group required me to switch to WAR. I've cleared all pre-HW content in the game as both PLD and WAR. I understand just how lackluster it plays in Savage as my co-tank started Savage as a PLD and ended up switching to DRK because it just wasn't working. PLD isn't 60 yet because I honestly just haven't gotten around to it. I've been spending my non-raid time helping people in my FC and leveling DRK because I find the play to be more enjoyable than PLD.

I want balance as well, but I don't want to see classes nerfed to achieve that. I'd feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot and it was WAR that was being excluded. WAR is in a perfect place right now, adjustments needs to be made to PLD and DRK to bring them to that same happy place.

[Kuwagami]

Was this before or after crit heal nerf from Warrior?

there is a crit heal nerf ? you mean the bug with raw intuition ? it doesn't apply to equilibrium.

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thing is, most "nerfs" proposed are insanely ridiculous. Just tweak numbers down a bit (potency reduction) and increase hate generation accordingly on BB to make up for the potency loss, and the gameplay stays the same without having WAR overpowered in terms of damage.

But thing is, I'd rather have tanks do ~35-40% of the damage the dps do and focus more on actual tanking (aka, positioning and mitigation) rather than dishing out maximum damage they can without dying