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    karateorangutang's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygian View Post
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    Admittedly, I don't play DRK so this is more a direct question than a critique of your post.

    Reprisal is based on parry which does happen often making the ability based on a RNG circumstance. I know dark dance makes this sort of thing likely, seems to work the exact same way as bulward + shield swipe, but shouldn't the real question for the ability be something else?

    I guess from my view why should reprisal need to be, even partially, gated behind another CD? I also know Darkside should be up all the time, but if its not for whatever reason then it becomes even less likely.
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    Syzygia Coahcuhhar
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    Quote Originally Posted by karateorangutang View Post
    Admittedly, I don't play DRK so this is more a direct question than a critique of your post.

    Reprisal is based on parry which does happen often making the ability based on a RNG circumstance. I know dark dance makes this sort of thing likely, seems to work the exact same way as bulward + shield swipe, but shouldn't the real question for the ability be something else?

    I guess from my view why should reprisal need to be, even partially, gated behind another CD? I also know Darkside should be up all the time, but if its not for whatever reason then it becomes even less likely.
    LOL, I've gotten enough critique as it is for this whole thread. I'm not taking it personally even though a lot of folks are getting REALLY mad.

    To answer your question, its not really. I get Reprisal procs all the time in the 30 seconds when their cooldowns don't line up. Reprisal is *only* -10% and as I said, I'm not counting on such a piddly amount to save my life from shit in savage where autoattacks crit for 9K any more than I'm counting on getting a lucky parry. Its just an intelligent synergy between the two abilities that is A. effective and B. fun to use. That and with so many people slamming Dark Dance I'm perplexed as to why anyone would be up in arms for "wasting" it to proc a Reprisal. If it was gated behind something that doesn't already have very high uptime (20s out of every 60? cmon now. You'll have it again before you know it) or that was an extremely powerful CD that I needed to save for something else (Shadow Wall or something) then yeah, I'd agree. But its not. Its just fine where it is.

    Also, based again on my experience in A2S (which is just a great example overall for these argument because it requires such high and constant CD uptime for the MT), there would be times where the only thing I would have available to me is Dark Dance, while I'm waiting for another CD or combination of CDs to come back off recast. Frankly, I'm very glad that DD is married so well to another, guaranteed form of mitigation to stack it with, as it makes it possible to pop it by itself, get a proc, and have a decent period of mitigation to fill the gap between cooldowns.

    i.e. here was the CD rotation I used in A2S for double jagd (they are staggered in this way due to me using Shadow Wall and Shadowskin on the previous two phases to facilitate keeping Grit off for longer:

    0s- bloodbath
    convalescence
    drac vit pot
    10s-


    20s- shadowskin


    30s-


    40s- dark dance
    reprisal

    50s-


    60s- foresight
    awareness

    70s-


    80s- shadow wall


    90s- bloodbath (by this point, the entire party is stacked up in the SW corner for next wave so I'm catching a lot more AoE heals and can afford this gap in CDs)


    100s-dark dance
    reprisal

    110s-


    120s-shadowskin - one of my dolls is usually dead, no CDs popped after this point to save them for the final wave.


    So I guess my point is, the fact that Reprisal can be tied so easily to DD makes DD a very viable CD by itself without having to stack anything, if you're taking a constant stream of physical damage, and the mitigation averages out to close to as much as a Shadowskin.
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    Last edited by Syzygian; 09-24-2015 at 11:01 PM.