Lets nerf WAR :D

[NFaelivrin]

You're a funny guy.

...For you.

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

@Ragnvard Im not even going to begin to delve into how incredibly ignorant brining a PLD over WAR for speed runs and farming would be, but the fact that you think that the tank balance is working as intended is clear proof you have no idea what balance is.

On one hand we have a tank which does: tremendous burst damage, contributes meaningful DPS, has invaluable raid utility, and has a strong defensive kit that not only allows them to effectively tank every encounter but allows them to cover their DPS stance with CDs.

On the other hand we have a tank that: Contributes almost nothing to DPS while tanking, has CDs that are borderline useless (Clemency, Divine Veil, Tempered Will), offers no meaningful raid utility, is generally considered a hinderence to raids, and is loaded with clunk.

So we have one tank which is a raid necessity and guarenteed a spot that has arguably no downsides and another tank that really brings nothing to the table.

Yeah bro. That's balanced.

[Harz]

If I absolutely had to pick something, I'd swap the debuffs on Storm's Path and Rage of Halone.

[NFaelivrin]

"Tank balance is working as intended" and "PLD will finally work when we're all i270 +20% echo on A3S" are funny things to say in the same post but there we have it.

[Kaisersoke]

Considering that nearly every mob in the game, boss or trash, interrupt casts with autoattack, I'd say that clemency is pretty close to useless, especially since you cant even proc your own veil with it. Seriously do you even know what youre talking about?

Yes, sheltron can block every physical burst attack that doesnt even exist in endgame, horrendously overpowered gg square enix nerf pally. seriously? dark can mitigate every magical damage burst attack, are you going to say thats overpowered too?

[Ladon]

Would also be pretty OP if WAR could some how pop two of them back to back every 60 second or pop one and save the other and if they healed you for the exact amount of damage you dealt. Oh and if you could some how get them faster due to them being attached to your weapon skills and the lower of GCD due to the natural increase of Skill speed over time.

And just image if the skill wasn't affected by the dmg reduction of the stance it requires.

[Seku]

And just image if the skill wasn't affected by the dmg reduction of the stance it requires.

I know right! What would such a skill be name!?

[Ragnvard]

@Syzygian
Exactly: my point was that why are people saying how warrior is OPed with storm's path when DRK can potentially have both -int and -dmg up at the same time? (esp one that knows how to save Reprisal procs for the busts - but that is also the pt, what if RNG hates you and you just don't parry before a bust?).

Much of my argument is about "each tank have something really strong about them in their specialty". Warrior does not need a nerf, at least not without readjusting the other tank's strengths in their respective domain.

On innerbeast:
Yes, it is strong. Warriors have always had it. It consumes our Wrath stacks (lose parry chance), and as silly as it sound, it compete with Fell Cleave (and also unchained) which is arguably the premise of why people are complaining about warriors: warriors doing a lot of damage while tanking in deliverance. Sure, we can go into defiance before a bust and hit IB, but dps loss is dps loss - note all other classes can still use their full arsenal of cooldowns not being in tank stance.

As pointed out earlier, plds have a stronger set of active cooldown and the passive RNG protect of their shield. Also due to healing skills not being affected by the defiance healing buff, the passive damage reduction of a pld is also a better one.

[Disc]

Much of my argument is about "each tank have something really strong about them in their specialty". Warrior does not need a nerf, at least not without readjusting the other tank's strengths in their respective domain.

If that has been your point I'm very confused as to why you're arguing that DRK is somehow weak & that PLD should not be buffed because they can blow their TP stunning for a party that will never pass enrage timers.

[Syzygian]

@Syzygian
Exactly: my point was that why are people saying how warrior is OPed with storm's path when DRK can potentially have both -int and -dmg up at the same time? (esp one that knows how to save Reprisal procs for the busts - but that is also the pt, what if RNG hates you and you just don't parry before a bust?).

Much of my argument is about "each tank have something really strong about them in their specialty". Warrior does not need a nerf, at least not without readjusting the other tank's strengths in their respective domain.

On innerbeast:
Yes, it is strong. Warriors have always had it. It consumes our Wrath stacks (lose parry chance), and as silly as it sound, it compete with Fell Cleave (and also unchained) which is arguably the premise of why people are complaining about warriors: warriors doing a lot of damage while tanking in deliverance. Sure, we can go into defiance before a bust and hit IB, but dps loss is dps loss - note all other classes can still use their full arsenal of cooldowns not being in tank stance.

As pointed out earlier, plds have a stronger set of active cooldown and the passive RNG protect of their shield. Also due to healing skills not being affected by the defiance healing buff, the passive damage reduction of a pld is also a better one.

As Disc pointed out your wording is dubious at best and sounds like you're saying something completely different. This comes off as backpedaling.

Also tank mitigation and utility is for the most part, equal, and I never implied otherwise in this thread. PLD's utility is made useless by the content, and the real discrepancies are in DPS.