Lets nerf WAR :D

[konpachizaraki]

If warrior is so overpowered, why weren't the first clears of Alexander Savage consisted of double warrior then?

because the limit break meter will fill slower than usual if you have 2 player with the same job, and the effect is becoming larger if there are more than 2 players from the same job
if that rule/system doesn't exist it might or even most likely happen

[JohnMccain]

because the limit break meter will fill slower than usual if you have 2 player with the same job, and the effect is becoming larger if there are more than 2 players from the same job
if that rule/system doesn't exist it might happen
and that is why pre-2.1 people were using double PLD and double WHM because that rule isn't applied yet that time

BG cleared t8 before anyone else using 3 monks?

[konpachizaraki]

BG cleared t8 before anyone else using 3 monks?

well the thing is not every raid group are as good as BG
some need LB to finish the content some don't
and please don't compare t8 with alex savage is harder definitely,so making the meter fill slowly by adding 2 people with the same job will affect your chance to clear the content

[SpookyGhost]

and that is why pre-2.1 people were using double PLD and double WHM because that rule isn't applied yet that time

Double BRD as well.

However, this argument doesn't hold as much weight as you'd think. There's two criteria for LBs in A4S (at least when WF progression was a thing):

1. LB1 by the 3rd leg
3. LB3 by the 2nd sacrifice in the last phase

I can't find the video atm, but 2x WAR was done not long after the world first happened. DRK + WAR is simply better suited for progression in that fight, however, as DRK's mitigation is S+ for frequent magic damage. Totally doable, though.

e: Oh, yeah, and a lot of people didn't know about the sac strat outside of JP so doing it the intended way makes DRK + WAR even more favorable.

[Jpec07]

Hmm. Well, if I had to, I'd probably nerf outgoing DPS and buff the healing modifier, and give the slashing debuff they bring to the other tanks, as well. So something like a 30% hit to skill potency and a 25% buff to the healing modifiers, so the amount of incoming healing would be about the same, just the damage going out would be lower. Combined with handing the slashing debuff out to other tanks, this could go a long way to making Warriors less essential to raid comp.

[Iagainsti]

Hmm. Well, if I had to, I'd probably nerf outgoing DPS and buff the healing modifier, and give the slashing debuff they bring to the other tanks, as well. So something like a 30% hit to skill potency and a 25% buff to the healing modifiers, so the amount of incoming healing would be about the same, just the damage going out would be lower. Combined with handing the slashing debuff out to other tanks, this could go a long way to making Warriors less essential to raid comp.

#DarkWarriordin

[Jpec07]

#DarkWarriordin

Except not really. There is much more to Warrior's playstyle and flavor that makes them unique without having to have the highest DPS by such a significant margin (10-15%? Okay, fine. 50%? Hell no). Combined with the fact that they are one of the only classes to bring the debuff that mostly only tanks rely on, and you've got a recipe for Warriors being necessary for group comp.

If it helps make you feel better, we can give Warriors the piercing debuff, so Dragoons are also less essential (and so MCH and BRD would rejoice and sing us wonderful songs).

[Tyrial]

Except not really. There is much more to Warrior's playstyle and flavor that makes them unique without having to have the highest DPS by such a significant margin (10-15%? Okay, fine. 50%? Hell no). Combined with the fact that they are one of the only classes to bring the debuff that mostly only tanks rely on, and you've got a recipe for Warriors being necessary for group comp.

If it helps make you feel better, we can give Warriors the piercing debuff, so Dragoons are also less essential (and so MCH and BRD would rejoice and sing us wonderful songs).

A play style that you know so much about at level 28 Marauder, right? Your DPS estimates are off quite a bit as well, if you're getting beat in DPS by a WAR and he's doing 50% more than you then you're doing something wrong.

[kensatsu]

Nerf the war or buff Drk/pld that is the question.
Actualy i think the war look like the finished tank. why Pld don't get only a force debuff and the dark only a intel debuff. why the pld don't have a mechanics to make him more interesting to play : the war have rage stacks, the dark have the dark arts.
Why the pld and dark get more punished than the war to swap stance.
and no war don't have 50% more dps than others tank if it's the case maybe your war is stacked with force and you not.
i think you should ask Buff, not the nerf.

[Jpec07]

A play style that you know so much about at level 28 Marauder, right? Your DPS estimates are off quite a bit as well, if you're getting beat in DPS by a WAR and he's doing 50% more than you then you're doing something wrong.

There's this thing called an "alt;" maybe you've heard of it...