Self-Parser

[Gilraen]

That's the thing, you often don't need numbers to see people doing poorly. It's often rather obvious like a melee DD that doesn't use positioning or a ranged DD that only uses 2 or 3 actions repeatedly. Sure, before the first wipe who's watching anyone, but after that it shouldn't be too difficult to give the other players a glance every so often to see how they're doing.

[Krylo]

That's the thing, you often don't need numbers to see people doing poorly. It's often rather obvious like a melee DD that doesn't use positioning or a ranged DD that only uses 2 or 3 actions repeatedly. Sure, before the first wipe who's watching anyone, but after that it shouldn't be too difficult to give the other players a glance every so often to see how they're doing.

If their damage is completely and irrefutably awful, sure, but it's not so easy to tell if someone's not using all their CDs at the right spots (like saving them for Ravana's. . . whatever the stance is called when he's being aggressive, instead of wasting them on Beetle). At least not if you're also concentrating on doing your own job. As a healer, in any reasonably difficult content, you should be focused on health bars and DPSing when health bars aren't near empty. As tank you usually have the boss between you and seeing what anyone else is doing. As DPS you have your own rotation to worry about keeping right.

The difference between 1300 and 300 DPS is pretty easy to spot. The difference between 1300 and 900 is a lot harder to spot.

I don't have time to pull off a fight and watch what everyone else is doing to do that. Could I? Yes. But it would make my own DPS plummet as well.

I could also go through the battle log, add up damage numbers, look up DoT potencies and do some multiplying and reverse engineering on crit rates etc, to get the DoT damage, add all that up, and then come back knowing everything without using a parser. But I'm not going to do that either.

[Alex_Lenderson]

Krylo - I agree full parser would be the 'best' but this is a compromise. One that really shouldn't bother anyone. (Which is why I don't get the reluctance) Plus if you are talking about static raiding you're talking about the same people working together. Hopefully they wouldn't lie to each other...

[Adire]

I don't get why people think a personal parser would be all that helpful.

PC players can already parse themselves if they want. I imagine most players who care about their dps already do it from time to time at the least.

A player who is not doing adequate DPS is not exactly going to let their group know about it either. How will the group know who the dead weight is if everyone is only parsing themselves?

So basically, many players already have the ability to parse themselves without trouble. The only benefit an official personal parser would have is to make it available for ps3/ps4 players as well possibly.

It would not help with DPS checks being met or anything really.

[hagare]

I don't get why people think a personal parser would be all that helpful.

you answered your own question xD

The only benefit an official personal parser would have is to make it available for ps3/ps4 players as well possibly.

it's basically just leveling the playing field for everyone

It would not help with DPS checks being met or anything really.

directly? no. Indirectly? yes.
PS4 players can now practice more without being dependent on other users to parse them.

If there is a case of legitimate player harassment, the GMs are there to deal with that. However overall player transparency is never a bad thing.

we need to report evil parser users! lols.
seriously though, harassment needs to be reported.

[Adire]

you answered your own question xD

If you mean the ps3/ps4 thing, that means I only partially answered my own question. That alone isn't that helpful.

it's basically just leveling the playing field for everyone

Agreed. It won't do much in the way for helping groups clear dps checks though, for the reasons stated in my first post.

directly? no. Indirectly? yes.
PS4 players can now practice more without being dependent on other users to parse them.

It won't even have much of an indirect effect, as one can still play poorly with a parser running without needing to improve, because others will not know they are doing poorly unless they use a group parser or micromanage someone else's skill usage.

I won't disagree though, you're right to a degree in theory. But people are greatly over exaggerating the effect an official personal parser would have on the community. Not much will change in practice until SE allows group parsing and investigates harassment cases related to it thoroughly, with appropriate punishment if needed.

Because let's be honest. A PS3/PS4 player can already get a parse by asking a PC player if they really want to know currently. And the people who don't care to know are the people who won't pay attention to a personal parser because they won't care if they parse well or not.

Without group parsers, these people can sneak into groups and play as poorly as they like without fear, because if anyone so much as says "Your damage is a bit low, would you please try something different?" they can be reported and SE will frown on them at best, ban them at worst. Official or at least legal group parsers, with SE investigating thoroughly if a group's reaction is harassment or not, would be the only true solution. Is it possible for SE to do this at this time? I don't know, but it is what it is, the best solution. While personal parsing is just a bandaid on a giant wound.

[Rawrz]

There are 2 different kinds of people:
The person who made this thread that wants to judge their own dps and areas to improve, using discussion and 3rd party sources like these forums and Reddit to find goal dps.

The other wants to use parsers to directly judge the contributions of others in order to adjust performance or replace if needed and to see where the group struggles the most during phases.

To me, a personal parser is healthiest. PC users will continue to be able to track raid performance. I always enjoy competition so being able to see where i rank in a party would always be fun, but a personal parser is a nice step towards a group parser.

[Colorful]

There are 2 different kinds of people:
The person who made this thread that wants to judge their own dps and areas to improve, using discussion and 3rd party sources like these forums and Reddit to find goal dps.

The other wants to use parsers to directly judge the contributions of others in order to adjust performance or replace if needed and to see where the group struggles the most during phases.

To me, a personal parser is healthiest. PC users will continue to be able to track raid performance. I always enjoy competition so being able to see where i rank in a party would always be fun, but a personal parser is a nice step towards a group parser.

We don't need a nice step towards a group parser, we need a group parser for EX primals and content above that level. A group parser will of course measure your own DPS, so you could use that for your improving your skills too.

[Ryel]

Pretty much this:

We don't need a nice step towards a group parser, we need a group parser for EX primals and content above that level. A group parser will of course measure your own DPS, so you could use that for your improving your skills too.

The issue is that so many players take this:

wants to use parsers to directly judge the contributions of others in order to adjust performance or replace if needed and to see where the group struggles the most during phases.

As a form of a personal attack, or are unable to deal with constructive criticism.

If there is a case of legitimate player harassment, the GMs are there to deal with that. However overall player transparency is never a bad thing.

[Martin_Arcainess]

I agree with the OP. A self phaser would be awesome to use and I like to know how much DPS I can currently point out.