Self-Parser

[Arashmin]

In the workplace, in schools, in pretty much everywhere else in life, you're measured on your performance. So why people feel they should be protected by that, and why SE feels they should provide that protection, boggles my mind to no end. If I was doing something poorly, I'd rather know, and if meant I had to be booted from a group at that time, I'd completely understand. Because that's just how life is.

So, I'd be up for any parser, personal or otherwise.

[Gilraen]

Extolling the virtues of parsing.

The issue isn't with those who voluntarily utilize parsers for their own use. This isn't really a problem so long as they keep their activities between like people. It's when you start waving parser data in the face of people who didn't ask for it and want nothing to do with it that it becomes a problem. I have nothing against helping people improve, but you don't need to throw numbers in their face to do it. Instead you can watch them, ask them what actions they use and when and point out what they can do to get better. Only push the numbers when THEY ask for them, not before. And for Twelve's sake don't be rude about it! I've been in a party where the tank literally did all the wrong things in pushing their parser numbers before /leaving after the second wipe on the last boss of Fractal. New tank arrived and we finished the dungeon without a second thought.

[Krylo]

I've been in a party where the tank literally did all the wrong things in pushing their parser numbers before /leaving after the second wipe on the last boss of Fractal. New tank arrived and we finished the dungeon without a second thought.

To be fair, in my experience, if someone is being a dick about anything in reasonably easy content (like expert roulette), it's generally because they're not good at the game themselves and are trying to cover up their own inadequacies by attacking others. Good players just carry harder in DF rather than attack their party members. (Edit: I had the same issue with a healer in fractal, although he didn't spout numbers, he did call all of us terrible for. . . some reason, cuss us out through two wipes on the last boss, kicked him, tank got a healer from his FC to join in progress, and we cleared it super easily)

That said, I agree with most of what you said, but if someone asks how you know they were doing poorly or gets confrontational you can't tell them how you know because parsers are illegal so you pretty much just have to kick them. It was one of the points I made in there--it's easier to help people if numbers are available and able to be discussed. With numbers being unable to be discussed, it's often easier to kick someone than try to broach the subject of their subpar DPS at all.

But yes, regardless of how legal or not numbers are, don't be a dick about it. Offer help in a polite and respectful manner, if at all. Do so coming at it from the point of view that this person is worth helping and can do better--not from the point of view that they are trash and need to stop sucking.

[Kitfox]

This is not a new idea.

[KingOfAbyss]

People would start to put their solo numbers on reddit, and then the comparisons would begin. You know the rest. A self-parser is the same: a parser.

[Alex_Lenderson]

People would start to put their solo numbers on reddit, and then the comparisons would begin. You know the rest. A self-parser is the same: a parser.

Yes but how would this impact a party? It isn't like they are going to say "Post screen shots of your in game parser now or we'll kick!" I mean come on...

Also if people did post on reddit wouldn't it be a good thing? Wouldn't you want to know if you weren't playing optimally?

[Colorful]

It isn't like they are going to say "Post screen shots of your in game parser now or we'll kick!" I mean come on...

I think you're underestimating what some players will do when the party fails a fight due to failing to meet a DPS check a couple of times.

[Alakazam]

What I will say is this: There will be players who vote kick and trash talk with or without parser. All it would do is give them confirmation and proof. I would still like a self parser to see if my DPS is up to the standards. Also why couldn't there be an ingame party one funcional only in a premade? I don't know how that suff works tbh. Also....

Yes but how would this impact a party? It isn't like they are going to say "Post screen shots of your in game parser now or we'll kick!" I mean come on...

Also if people did post on reddit wouldn't it be a good thing? Wouldn't you want to know if you weren't playing optimally?

you would be surprised the length toxic player would go in this game

[sirDarts]

What I will say is this: There will be players who vote kick and trash talk with or without parser. All it would do is give them confirmation and proof. I would still like a self parser to see if my DPS is up to the standards. Also why couldn't there be an ingame party one funcional only in a premade? I don't know how that suff works tbh. Also....

How can you know you are underperforming, if you have nobody to compare yourself to?

you would be surprised the length toxic player would go in this game

I would actually be extremely surprised, seeing that the amount of toxic players in this game is INCREDIBLY low, and most of them just throw a random tantrum and leave.

[Alakazam]

How can you know you are underperforming, if you have nobody to compare yourself to?




I would actually be extremely surprised, seeing that the amount of toxic players in this game is INCREDIBLY low, and most of them just throw a random tantrum and leave.

I don't know what you mean by no one to compare myself to, they aren't even allowed and people post numbers for DPS everywhere, so there SHOULD be plenty of ways. And maybe very few would go to that extreme, but I run into PLENTY of toxic attitude players, but maybe that's just my luck.