Is AST recognized as a viable healer yet?

[Kassiekane]

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That's whole thing though. Mathematically, AST is on the same level as WHM. I think people fail to realize that, after the buffs the baseline healing and single-target dps for both jobs are exactly the same. It's the little things that makes them different, like for example WHM having more burst healing with presence of mind/cure 3, and slightly more AoE dps with aero 3, while AST can extend the duration of party members' buffs and having more mobility with lightspeed and enhanced benefic. With the combination of AST being severely undertuned at the beginning, people already being accustomed to being healed by a WHM, as well as AST haters (my girlfriend is one of them) that flat-out refuse to accept the fact that it is quite a viable healer, I am quite cautious about spending the time to level one up.

[adn]

Absolutely. A Japanese group cleared A4S with AST/SCH.

https://twitter.com/hikouki1234/stat...92285608493060

[FoxyAreku]

Yes it's more than fine now. However White mage/noct AST is way better than Scholar/diurnal AST as far as compositions go.

Nocturnal Sect died for me the moment I got Time Dilation, the synergy between that and Diurnal is just too nice, it's effectively an extra 6k HP healed for nothing. Nocturnal basically just exists for pre-pull buffing at this point...

This is very incorrect and you should be ashamed. The time dilation thing is nice but it's only 5 more ticks of regen and you could just re-apply the shield for noct, not like it's expensive.

Only reason to use Diurnal is two situation-4 man preference, or 8 mans when you're with a scholar. I facepalm whenever I see someone pick diurnal when we have a whitemage, all the over healing, none of the mitigation. :/

[Nalien]

This is very incorrect and you should be ashamed. The time dilation thing is nice but it's only 5 more ticks of regen and you could just re-apply the shield for noct, not like it's expensive.

And... My point was that rather than reapplying Nocturnal Aspected, I'm just continuing to nuking... Not only am I nuking faster, I'm nuking for longer... Why would I opt to reapply something frequently when I can provide some additional DPS instead?

I facepalm whenever I see someone pick diurnal when we have a whitemage, all the over healing, none of the mitigation. :/

I honestly don't see this as a problem when the over healing is coming from Regen effects... It's not like I'm going out of my way to stop nuking to over heal and waste MP by casting Benefic II when Benefic isn't even necessary, it's Regen. If it's causing over healing I don't really care, I'll just continue nuking while you're reapplying Nocturnal. I might be over healing, but I'm casting less heals. Regen based over healing is the ideal situation IMO, the only reason it'll cause MP issues is from the vast number of nukes I'll be casting...

The only drawback with Regen is terrible tanks and pulls.

[FoxyAreku]

And... My point was that rather than reapplying Nocturnal Aspected, I'm just continuing to nuking... Not only am I nuking faster, I'm nuking for longer... Why would I opt to reapply something frequently when I can provide some additional DPS instead?

Because a higher potency heal with 130% shield will do a lot more than 5 extra ticks of a regen.

I honestly don't see this as a problem when the over healing is coming from Regen effects... It's not like I'm going out of my way to stop nuking to over heal and waste MP by casting Benefic II when Benefic isn't even necessary, it's Regen. If it's causing over healing I don't really care, I'll just continue nuking while you're reapplying Nocturnal. I might be over healing, but I'm casting less heals. Regen based over healing is the ideal situation IMO, the only reason it'll cause MP issues is from the vast number of nukes I'll be casting...

The only drawback with Regen is terrible tanks and pulls.

Not having any mitigation so you can opt to have regens that effectively do nothing because white mage regens are more than enough is a rather weird priority choice.

[Nalien]

Because a higher potency heal with 130% shield will do a lot more than 5 extra ticks of a regen.

The example given to me was a 1.8k shield.

My Regens do 1.2k/tic, forget 5 extra tics, 2 are enough for me to completely laugh at this statement... Bottom line, it's 15 extra seconds of me staying in Clerics Stance and nuking (that's 6 extra casts of Gravity/Malefic/Combust), where as you'd be dropping Clerics to reapply Nocturnal Aspected... Am I really having to argue this?

Not having any mitigation so you can opt to have regens that effectively do nothing because white mage regens are more than enough is a rather weird priority choice.

If White Mages Regens alone are over healing to the point where applying mine does nothing, then me applying mitigation doesn't really do anything either, all that would do is waste the White Mages Regen tics, which are apparently potent enough to keep someone capped on HP... In any situation like that, you know what I'd do? Go in with a premade with only one healer, because two clearly aren't needed. If that's not possible, I'll nuke, and I'd sooner nuke in Diurnal Sect than Nocturnal.

Mitigation has its place, T10 for example, but for the most part... If I'm casting less and spending less MP on heals and over healing, the difference between mitigation and over healing is completely arbitrary. Over healing is only an issue in the example I gave; Casting something expensive like Benefic II, when your target doesn't need a 350 potency heal, let alone a 650 potency one. That is a waste of MP and a waste of a GCD. The only example you can give for me wasting either with Regen is an example in which a second healer is apparently simply not needed in the first place...

[Kemas]

More than viable. It's competitive. The problem lies in inexperience. A LOT of people began playing with the expansion without prior knowledge to mechanics and the ast buffs furthered the problem despite being an amazing potential booster for people who already knew how to play the job. Mch and drk have these same sorts of traits- inexperienced players not utilizing the abilities to the fullest. All 3 of these jobs have cd's that essentially need to be used on recast to get their full benefit. The inexperience comes in when people become hesitant/unaware of how to use their abilities to the fullest. With ast the use of luminiferous aether is the big one. Pre and post buff I've seen complaints about ast enmity generation which is quite literally a non issue with proper cool down usage. The same goes for mp management. I've noticed this to be the hurdle for a lot of drk's as well with not using blood price correctly. TLDR reread your tool tips and learn to maximize your abilities to their fullest and ast is a phenomenally versatile healer with the best raid utility, second to none when used correctly. They don't necessarily replace whm or sch but in most current content it's best to combine ast with one or the other to speed things up.

[Jijifli]

They're good. It's just some people don't trust our cards. I once had players get mad that I gave them cards because, "They don't like bad jobs pretending to do good."

[Kassiekane]

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Correct. This is something that most people don't know or refuse to accept.

They're good. It's just some people don't trust our cards. I once had players get mad that I gave them cards because, "They don't like bad jobs pretending to do good."

Lmao

[Nalien]

Astrologian is fine, but I still think Nocturnal Sect sucks... It really shouldn't be a Adloquium clone, it should be a copy of the spell Phalanx from Final Fantasy XI. That has a duration and lasts for it, that benefits from Time Dilation. That would actually make me consider using Nocturnal Sect outside PvP, and it would stop me thinking "This is just cheating" in PvP. Perhaps it's a silly complaint, but yeah... Diurnal Sect benefits from Time Dilation, you extend the duration of your Regens and their single casting does more as a result. Nocturnal Sect does not benefit in this way, it's a cheap Galvanize clone that will always wear off when you take damage, I'd rather it be something new, and having it benefit from Time Dilation just makes sense to me.

I'd also quite like it if the Cards had a set random order, rather than just a random order. What's the difference? A set random order would prevent getting Spire back to back. Your order is randomly set as, for example, Bole, Spire, Ewer, Spear, Arrow, Balance. You now have to work through that order, at which point it is reset and you get a new random order (Shuffle would also do this). This would let you actually try and predict the future; "I just drew Bole then Spire, so next could be...", rather than; "I just drew Spire, then Spire, then Spire... Next will probably be Spire...". It would be something you really have to pay attention to in order to get any benefit out of it, and I really think it would just thematically enhance the Jobs gameplay. I want to be drawing cards and attempting to foresee the future, currently I fell like I'm just rolling some dice...