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    Muahbec's Avatar
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    Veigas Shiffer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maow View Post
    Lustrate, on the other hand, is underwhelming in comparison to what it used to be and what it COULD be, hence why I suggested a possible buff for it.
    But we are the only healers who can instantly heal a target with a 600potency heal 3 times in a row every 60 seconds + fairy's free 300pot heal.....
    I can't see where a buffed lustrate would be fully useful, we almost never have to use more than 1 lustrate to bring people back up... and if we need we can instantly use another AND another.
    The other healers can cast their instant heals once, wait for the long long cooldown and manage to keep the target alive with Cure/Benefic 1 and 2 and prays
    We can cast three in a row and if aetherflow is off cooldown? We can cast SIX in a row...
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    Last edited by Muahbec; 09-21-2015 at 12:58 PM.

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    Adore Mi
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    Jenova
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    Dancer Lv 100
    LMAO, SCH needs a buff? Is this an early April Fools joke?

    SCH is the most OP job in the game, and honestly, if you need SCH to get buffs, then you must be a really bad SCH.

    Unlimited MP
    Free fairy heals
    The ONLY AOE Esuna in the game
    Many free instant heals
    Huge DPS capabilities
    E4E+Supervirus (no other healer has this combo)
    Magic defense bonus
    Ability to turn Succor into Medica
    DPS buff in the form of consistent attack speed bonus
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    Sidra Swiftwind
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    Physick and Embrace mean that Scholars generally have a base Cure II heal with a CureI mp cost, as opposed to the other healers who use standardly Cure I and then CureII for catch-up or burst. Incidentally, that also means higher HP upkeep on the tank which means catch up is required less often. 3x Lustrates pretty much never happens, but when you talk about just using 1-2 interspersed with your normal heals and fairy, it's burst single target is very strong. When you take MP use and DPS capabilities into account, SCH is the best healer and I don't think it is particularly close.

    Individually, you can nitpick on some skills if you want. But as a whole the job is very strong, so trying to improve on skills even though you might feel like the skill is lacking is prolly not going to get much agreement within the community.
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    Sadako Yamamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maow View Post
    Do note that since Lustrate is considered an "ability" none of your healing buffs will apply to it, hence why I think it's underpowered. (it has a lower potency than cure 2 / benefic 2 and said healing buffs don't apply to it)
    You also need to note the other aspects;
    Incoming Healing reduction debuffs don't affect it either (infirmity)
    With the change, lustrate's a ton better on non-warrior targets. Especially on dps and healer targets
    Other healers have essential dignity, tetragrammaton and benediction. Essential dignity has the potential to be stronger, but also weaker and limited to one use/40 seconds. Tetragrammaton has 700 potency, I think, but limited by a 60s CD. Lustrate? If you blow all 3 stacks on it, it has a combined potency of 1800 for the same CD time
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    I'm a little flabbergasted at this thread.

    Thankfully others have already put in the work to explain why SCH isn't in need of buffs, because I don't think I have the energy tonight to explain how water is wet.

    If you consider nothing else, think about how Dissipation being crap for its intended purpose (emergency healing) doesn't make a dent in the overall power and utility of the SCH kit. Everything else is just that good.
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    Zycam Rathis
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    I want whatever OP is smoking.
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    Daiki Sejuro
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    I think that with ppl who play either class of Arcanist tend to forget to factor their pet into certain actions hence when ppl complained about SMNs dps in 2.0 but not factoring in the 20-30% contribution from the pet...

    Now with scholars you have to factor in that the pets are healing too and can be boosted as well, if SCH gets buffed there would be no point to bringing other healers anywhere..
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Some things to note, fairy healing is about 200 potency not 300. Their healing is not based on the same potency as ours.

    Also, a comparison of the new Lustrate vs Old. (It's amazing like it is I promise)

    This change was overall better for Pld/drk (~5%less on War) and always better for all tanks when it crits."

    PLD Tank has 15k health
    War has 15k base (18.5k with defiance)

    Old Lustrate (25%)
    PLD Tank is healed 3750.
    War in defiance is healed 4688.

    New Lustrate. (600 potency)
    PLD Tank is healed 4400
    War in Defiance is also healed 4400.

    New Lustrate. (600 potency+crit)
    CRITICAL! PLD Tank is healed 6600.
    CRITICAL! War in Defiance is also healed 6600.
    Old vs New Lustrate
    PLD Net gain:+15%.
    War in Defiance:~-7%.

    Old vs Crit Lustrate:
    PLD Net gain:+~43%.
    War in Defiance:~+29%.

    Would I like to see Dissipation changed? Yes. Shortening its duration and cd would be enough for me.

    Selene could bring some more offensive utility over her gimp silence... but as a whole SCH is a very solid and fluid class.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 09-21-2015 at 03:45 PM.

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    Lady Rewind
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 61
    I think healers are all in a good place - whilst these SCH buffs might improve QoL they aren't necessary to clear content nor would it make content dramatically easier.

    SCH is the most cemented healer spot in progression because of its utility for sustained DPS and healing.
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    Mentheus Dreyar
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    I just want to add that while party wide E4E and dissipation are situational now.. i imagine SE created them for future use more than for our current content ^^ like lots of people have said SCH is in a very good place right now, and just like most classes the full use of our new skills are still uncertain right now.
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