Scholar possible buffs

[Dalvy]

We don't NEED buffs, but I would like to see more uses out of the fairy killer...

[Rin_Kuroi]

We don't NEED buffs, but I would like to see more uses out of the fairy killer...

I'd really like to see the fairy handle better overall. The main reason I'm a whm is because I got too annoyed dealing with that little shit. Maybe I'm just spoiled from other pet classes in other games

[FoxyAreku]

The only way they should ever touch my lustrate is if they make it a % based heal again. God I never thought I would miss that so much...

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

The only way they should ever touch my lustrate is if they make it a % based heal again. God I never thought I would miss that so much...

Again this, why is it even a thing?

Lustrate is 600 potency. With my gear that's good for about 4600 HP recovered. If we'd go back to the 25% value, target player has to have 18400 HP to heal for the same amount. The only jobs who'd have this kind of HP would be: Fully vit oriented paladins and dark knights or warriors in defiance or full vit orientation in deliverance. In a nutshell: Lustrate's far more powerful on non-tanks, especially on casters, roughly the same for paladins and dark knights and slightly weaker on warriors. There's also the thing that Lustrate can crit now, as opposed to the flat 25% value before HW.

The only thing that's majorly different would be that it's affected by cleric's stance now. But that's a simple matter of toggling off and toggling it back on after using lustrate. Unless you have 8 fingers amputated from both your hands, making button pressing a nightmare, how would this be an issue?

[FoxyAreku]

Again this, why is it even a thing?

Lustrate is 600 potency. With my gear that's good for about 4600 HP recovered. If we'd go back to the 25% value, target player has to have 18400 HP to heal for the same amount. The only jobs who'd have this kind of HP would be: Fully vit oriented paladins and dark knights or warriors in defiance or full vit orientation in deliverance. In a nutshell: Lustrate's far more powerful on non-tanks, especially on casters, roughly the same for paladins and dark knights and slightly weaker on warriors. There's also the thing that Lustrate can crit now, as opposed to the flat 25% value before HW.

The only thing that's majorly different would be that it's affected by cleric's stance now. But that's a simple matter of toggling off and toggling it back on after using lustrate. Unless you have 8 fingers amputated from both your hands, making button pressing a nightmare, how would this be an issue?

I do savage and I literally cannot remember the last time I lustrated a non-tank.
So that's...kind of an irrelevant point for me.

Also keeping cleric stance on for entire fights was just nice.

Scholar does lose a lot of Mana at 60, unlike 50.

You really shouldn't have mana problems as a scholar unless you're spamming adlo which is a horrible thing to do.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

I do savage and I literally cannot remember the last time I lustrated a non-tank.
So that's...kind of an irrelevant point for me.

Also keeping cleric stance on for entire fights was just nice.

If you never lustrate a DPS it still makes no difference. In the other post I mentioned non-warrior tanks get healed for the same amount before the change or more, depending on their vitality orientation. It's roughly the same for heavily vit orientated tank while also more effective on full str tanks (who will have around 13000-15000 HP depending on item level). The only ones you'll be healing less for would be warriors in defiance, about 8% less or 23% of their maximum HP pool.

[DreamWeaver]

SCHs are treated as 80% DPS, 20% heals for progression raids nowadays, you can ask for all these buffs and nothing will really change, as you'll spend most of your time DPSing anyway >_>.

[Yaichiro]

I agree on what you said about Lustrate. It feels completely underwhelmed compared to 2.0 not to mention it doesn't get scaled with WAR.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Scholar has arguably the best kit in the game, why would they even need a buff?

3 DoTs that cannot miss, one of them being a ground AoE
Able of spreading 3 DoTs to nearby targets, which also cannot miss when already applied on the initial target
Up to 6 Lustrates to use in a small window if you really want to. Although not recommended, Scholars are the only ones capable of doing so.
Arguably the best MP tool among the three healers. Unlike Shroud and LA, this one scales on MP pool. There's also Assize, but with 50% more CD time and also 50% less MP recovery
Broil, although costly, allows Scholars to have burst DPS for a short period close or on par with White Mages.
Fairy has 300 potency (440 potency on average when used Rouse whenever possible) healing that has no direct cost, unlike Regen/Aspected Benefic.
Scholar Virus has more uses than White Mage Virus. Also more potent than Astrologian Disable.
Deployment tactics allows the scholar to apply the best form of AoE mitigation - Although not in rapid succession
Emergency Tactics combined with Indomitability allows the scholars to have up a 700 potency AoE healing - Also not in rapid succession
Only healer among the three that can reliably buff group DPS with Selene
Only healer among the three that can raise magic defense buff aside from protect with Eos
Only healer among the three that has access to AoE dispelling with Selene
Only healer that has the ability to silence, although rather niche

There are so many tools Scholars have access to other healers do not have, why would they even need a buff? They simply have a larger set of tools to play around with. I'll omit further details, as the details is not related to the topic of discussion (yet). If anything, they'll have an incredibly hard time catching up when the situation turns sour. For any scholar worth their salt knows what this is about; undesired and rapid burning of your precious aetherflow stacks.

Scholars may be OP, that's questionable the very least. But they're only OP if the other healer allows them to be. Be it a terrible healer where a scholar has to patch up everywhere or a great healer and the scholar's capable of pushing out a lot of extra healer damage.

As for this:

Eye for an eye + Deployment Tactics: Don't get me wrong, Deployment Tactics is a wonderful skill. However, as of now I've yet to find any REAL use of using Eye for an Eye with Deployment Tactics.

Bismarck (EX): After getting off Flying Moby.
A1(S): After jump, both tanks can have eye for an eye
A2(S): You could practically eye for an eye+deployment here whenever. Inb4 tanks are too far apart: There's like 20y range if you use your fairy as a proxy.
A3(S): Hands phase

And for this:

as far as single-target "burst" healing, I'm guessing you mean crit adloquiums.

Without crit, Emergency Tactics Adlo is still good for 600 potency. You can instantly weave in a lustrate after for another 600 potency; 1200 potency. It seems to be a thing to add in embrace too, so add that up as well. Rouse and/or Fey Illumination would boost up that burst even more.

But I can understand how you think Scholar is "underpowered". You have the wrong image of the other healers.

In comparison to the 20k Cure 2's white mage can do with the right party, scholar isn't exactly OP from that perspective

In what kind of white mage's wet dream are you living where a cure II can heal for 20k?

[Maow]

Bismarck (EX): After getting off Flying Moby.
A1(S): After jump, both tanks can have eye for an eye
A2(S): You could practically eye for an eye+deployment here whenever. Inb4 tanks are too far apart: There's like 20y range if you use your fairy as a proxy.
A3(S): Hands phase

And for this:


Without crit, Emergency Tactics Adlo is still good for 600 potency. You can instantly weave in a lustrate after for another 600 potency; 1200 potency. It seems to be a thing to add in embrace too, so add that up as well. Rouse and/or Fey Illumination would boost up that burst even more.

But I can understand how you think Scholar is "underpowered". You have the wrong image of the other healers.


In what kind of white mage's wet dream are you living where a cure II can heal for 20k?

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About that,

- It's great that you've pointed out all the strengths of scholar, but you're missing my point. In my original post I mentioned lustrate, PARTY-WIDE eye for an eye, and Dissipation. As far as Emergency Tactics counting as "burst" healing, I don't get your point. All it does is turn the shield into actual HP; basically the same thing unless you're dealing with Dark Knight's Living Dead or if you're at a point where the shield won't get destroyed. Lustrate, on the other hand, is underwhelming in comparison to what it used to be and what it COULD be, hence why I suggested a possible buff for it. When I mentioned eye for an eye I meant the best you can do with it. Meaning party-wide Eye for an eye still doesn't have much use, unless for some reason all 8 people in the party are getting hit by different targets. Thanks for explaining your points of view and I look forward to further discussing this.

Getting our WHM to crit for 20k again, note that it's with a specific party setting, lol.