Yoshi P's Stance on Pld

[Seku]

To show my utter disgust on how the i200 PLD gear looks like, i instantly glamoured it to AF1.

Butt cape? Seriously? I'd rather want a real cape.

HEY! I like the butt cape! T-T But you're right, I'd rather have a real cape too. I mean who wouldn't want to look a bit insane with an awesome real cape..

[Isius]

We just need more PLDs like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqnwxWjQGI4

I think he plays drk now, or atleast when I see him on my server he is on his drk. But I don't really know the guy or talk to him either, so idk if he really raids with his pld still.

[MeeYow]

Actually from the page you linked (23). Only two showed his distaste for the job, neither claiming a liability. The others admitted that the only problem with PLD was it's lack of aoe paired with a bad summoner, aoes, or pick ups.

Another actually appears to have admitted they originally took PLD due to wanting to lazy through the fight and not learn the waves, depending heavily on hallow.

That link was token it was the first one on Google, as I said in my post look round all the BG tank threads, the reasons vary but the conclusion is the same. It was in my post. Please read my post QQ nvm I'm posting a lot recently. I think a major weakness of mine when posting is I expect people to actually do the complete reading I suggest for them when they actually have lives to live or XIV to play.

The main point is really that the shield is so small, it is supposed to be class defining but it provides less mitigation than the rage of halone effect debuff and has the same type limitation! Or - if you ignore damage type - maintaining storms path!

I think more of my recent posts have been storms path advocacy than class balance. It's so good O.O

[Seku]

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Actually you said that people were claiming that PLD was a liability in AS2 and then posted a link to a particular page, which I then proved wrong by actually reading said page. Their actual point was the same thing everyone has been saying here, PLD needs moar dps, WAR/DRK is now more favorable for their AoE DPS since they end fights faster, nothing there claimed them to be a liability for said fight. Secondly I'm not reading an entire forum for the sake of your point

And no, Things like bulwark paired with other wise weak CD's make Shield pretty nice in events that have lots of enemies, as it lowers the RNG all together of blocks. But BG did have a good point in that WAR could actually get the same effect with parry. Forgot they get extra while holding IB.

Edit: Also Storms path and RoH wouldn't really help in the situation I'm referring to.. Since both attacks are single target and not multiple and the effects wouldn't be there upon start up.

[Nadirah]

@ nadirah yes serinah on kaisinel was my aion character.

@ercapote all those wings gonna need you be mount less just fly through HW with your armor? Like the colors are fine it's just god awful gaudy

Mynistri@Kaisinel. Ran the cleric vent server for a few months after release. Eventually quit. Too grindy.

[MeeYow]

Actually you said that people were claiming that PLD....

2.x WAR did not get extra parry whilst holding IB it got crit. I can't remember if we were discussing old WAR or current WAR because so many people are trying to run round the houses to avoid having a direct argument. This is me being confused and lazy though, not you.

I am going to again ask you to check the responses in the DRK, WAR and PLD threads before going on that individual page which says PLD was slower and that the only reason it was taken was laziness.

Early fights every turn were enrage races, and favoured WAR/DRK as for the rest of Alex savage, PLD is OK now because DPS are geared enough to provide buffer to not hit enrage.

You even said yourself PLD needs more DPS, if the shield were a good enough advantage it wouldn't, even in early weeks, thanks for agreeing with me!

You are also agreeing with me that Bulwark requires pairing to be good? Thanks?

The comment about storms path and RoH is that people play up shield as a massive difference, whilst ignoring those debuffs, but both of them provide on average TWICE as much damage reduction as a shield. Also when I farm A2S I can keep RoH on all mobs if it is needed, as all of the large packs are stunned by the gobwalker move temporary insanity, and don't attack anyway. Only double doll or gobwidow/doll phases require any RoH at all and then there is only two mobs.

Honestly I think we are approaching the same argument from different angles, you seem to agree with me. Except on the idea that in early raid clears beating enrage was the most important, I will leave that question open, but I personally think if you didn't meet the enrage timer, nothing else mattered.

Also: I too am affectionate towards the butt cape, and my dainty fairy wings whilst I receive plasma to the face.

[VargasVermillion]

Weak or not It'll still remain boring to play regardless and a bunch of buttons you'll never press.

[Snowy_Mist]

How is Paladin a liability in endgame raids if they were part of the world firsts for 1+2. A paladin cleared a3s soon after the world first when even the devs weren't expecting it to be cleared that early.
And a Paladin cleared a4s 16days after the 3rd world clear of a4s. And by nature thats comparing to world firsts which involve min maxing and using whatever combination and strat to push the team to the win.
I think most salty Paladins crying about being a liability in end game raiding just plain suck.

[Tadus]

The reason many PLDs today are saying PLD needs dps is because of how the current dps checks are. I have been a PLD since 2.0, and I do not like the idea of PLDs having the same dps as a DRK. Currently, I can put up to 550 dps with melded gear (3/5) in A3s. Many PLDs should know that the reason why we don't have that much dps is because we a have shield. People have a point when they say that most statics have clear A4 with a Drk first, or that with a Drk the fight is faster. We just going to have to adapt to Drk having more DPS.I am not saying PLD is a good place though. His playing style is just boring with simple and a drizzle of sleep. He needs some tweaks, but now we know that they have heard us, lets just see what they get changed.

[Zdenka]

A paladin cleared a3s soon after the world first when even the devs weren't expecting it to be cleared that early. Eeep that was me; though honestly I only stuck with PLD because we were so many attempts (600+?) on A3S that changing to DRK and optimizing a DPS and cool down rotation would have taken several days when the DPS was just that tight. I actually ended up doing 650 DPS on our kill, which is around what the DRKs in the other first week (well first week it was cleared) ended at IIRC so the difference wasn't actually that great, but obviously it was enough for us to take longer also considering we didn't use a DRG either.

Basically, if we had thought to switch to DRK/DRG instead of PLD/MNK maybe a week earlier we probably would have done it.

And then I switched to DRK for A4S, because that entire fight is just designed around DRK tanking. =/