Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
They probably aren't skilled combatants like we are. Our sheer martial (or magical) prowess is our main asset in fights against primals; the Echo just prevents us from being tempered. Ordinary people can and have defeated primals in the past before, it just takes human wave tactics to exhaust the primal's ability to temper before the real fighters can go up against the primal.

Put bluntly, even with the Echo a primal will still murder your ass if you can't fight. *glares at Minfilia*
The thing is we were hardly that strong when we begun. Maybe if those layabouts came out and levelled with us they'd be able to solo Ifrit too.