Thread: The Dark Divinity 3.0

Originally Posted by Ibi

We also know from T10 that Bahamut Prime required a massive amount of prayer to sustain his existence. We've had no obvious explanation of who or what is providing the source of belief/prayer for Zantetsuken/Odin, if indeed there is a source at all.

I think this is the crux of what makes an Eikon an Eikon. There's seemingly nothing in the Singularity Reactor/Triad Control that could be sustaining the Triad, either. Both Odin/Zantetsuken and the Triad seem to be in some way self sustaining.

1st time posting in lore, but the basic idea I get from reading this is: 1)The swords the Primal/Elkon 2)its like a suped up uber-Zodiac relic, full spirited bonded & sentiant & 3)With rumors that the "real" Odin is in the Waring Triad we wonder WTF the swords up to tempering/possesing random ppl making them a Odin-Wanabee & letting them have control

Here's my "idea" if anyone's seen "Heavens Lost Property" or understands the "Master-Servent" concept then think this: The "Sword" being bonded to the Bad-ass that was Odin & loving killing as it does actually likes being used as its shape states... as a weapon of slicy death by Odin. that may explain why it always makes "someone" look/act like Odin & give them control of its use cause A) it wants to only be used by only Him (Her in case of fem avi beating FATE Odin) & B)it wants it to not just look the part cause it has "Master abandonment over-attachment" issues

Enjoy my Idea/view ^.^

Originally Posted by Ibi

We also know from T10 that Bahamut Prime required a massive amount of prayer to sustain his existence. We've had no obvious explanation of who or what is providing the source of belief/prayer for Zantetsuken/Odin, if indeed there is a source at all.

That's the part that's so strange about Odin. First they say that Odin is the Primal. Then they say he was a historical figure, and that the sword, which goes by the name of Zantetsuken, is the Primal, and we have no idea if it was summoned, if it's a self sustaining entity, or if it was simply made somehow.

If there is such a strong difference between Eikon, Elder Primal, and Primal (we've got levels of godship now...) than I'm not sure Zentetsuken falls into any of them. In theory, if it is a "summoned" entity, than the prayers that would sustain it could only be the general sense of fighting worship that warriors the land over have (which may have been what they were implying when they talked about the "God of Fighting" reference). After all, as a player base, our sole purpose is to fight. That being said, I'm not sure a world wide desire for glorious combat matches 5000 years, give or take, of torture induced prayer....

If it's an Eikon, though, than what of Odin? Why does it always assume the same form? Why do the two have this seemingly unbreakable bond? One thing is certain, Odin's part in all of this is not yet done. So, I think it's safe to assume that the relationship between him and the sword, as well as the true history of what happened all those years ago, will have to be the focus of the next installment of Odin. I think Odin's story is the one that has the most potential to answer our questions about the different levels of Gods (going all the way up to hydalyn... (sp?) and Zodiark.).

Originally Posted by Harz

I think this is the crux of what makes an Eikon an Eikon. There's seemingly nothing in the Singularity Reactor/Triad Control that could be sustaining the Triad, either. Both Odin/Zantetsuken and the Triad seem to be in some way self sustaining.

We actually don't know that yet. There's a door at the back of the Singularity Reactor that is sealed off by some major chains (I'll get the coordinates next time I log in) which I'm assuming is going to be the entrance of that Raid/Trial/Dungeon. The door seems to tunnel under the warring triad, so I think we can assume that the Triad is actually a giant tower that cuts straight through the Island... Leaving a lot of space for lord knows what. I, for one, can't wait for that door to open.

Originally Posted by lokoxDZz

So in the end... Whats Odin goal for real?

To know that, I think we have to find out a lot more about what happened in the past between Odin, Urth, and Wiyu. Specifically, why were Urth and the Allagan's at odds? What was the conflict about and why did Odin get involved in the first place? If we figure these things out, we may have a better idea about Odin's motivations.

Personally, Odin's spoken FATE dialogue is what has all but convinced me that Odin was, in fact, a warrior no different from us back in his day who managed to cross the threshold and attain God-like Powers, but, in regards to his motivations, the only thing we have to go on is that he is seemingly still searching for Urth, who may or may not be dead (Allagans, man... weird.). It is possible that the sword is simply manifesting the version of Odin that it is most familiar with (the one from 5000 years ago) but why? Why relive the past over and over with each incarnation? From the sword's perspective, it doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Februs

Then... What's with the statue way up by the Flagship?

The statue is probably a result of the same kind of Allagan ego that led them to build a gaudy crystal tower and turn a former warship into a museum with a redundant name that both suggest neverending. It's their hood ornament, so to speak.

Originally Posted by Februs

If there is such a strong difference between Eikon, Elder Primal, and Primal (we've got levels of godship now...) .

There is no difference. The devs have made this clear. An "Eikon" is just the word used by the allag for the extremely powerful primals. You might call a souped up street racer a dragster, but its still a car. Just a very fast car.