Thread: The Dark Divinity 3.0

1st time posting in lore, but the basic idea I get from reading this is: 1)The swords the Primal/Elkon 2)its like a suped up uber-Zodiac relic, full spirited bonded & sentiant & 3)With rumors that the "real" Odin is in the Waring Triad we wonder WTF the swords up to tempering/possesing random ppl making them a Odin-Wanabee & letting them have control

Here's my "idea" if anyone's seen "Heavens Lost Property" or understands the "Master-Servent" concept then think this: The "Sword" being bonded to the Bad-ass that was Odin & loving killing as it does actually likes being used as its shape states... as a weapon of slicy death by Odin. that may explain why it always makes "someone" look/act like Odin & give them control of its use cause A) it wants to only be used by only Him (Her in case of fem avi beating FATE Odin) & B)it wants it to not just look the part cause it has "Master abandonment over-attachment" issues

Enjoy my Idea/view ^.^

Originally Posted by Volsung

Interesting idea. If the sword is what is providing the worship.

Wouldn't matter if the sword was created. If it was sentient, and had a strong desire for a strong master (or maybe it's original owner/maker) it could use a person's aether to summon.

If it were the original owner/maker than it definitely wouldn't summon Odin all the time, since it was pretty much confirmed he wasn't the original owner. However, it is an interesting idea that the sword is providing the worship.

If the sword is sentient (like a zodiac weapon) than, in theory, it should be possible for the sword to provide the worship (which would make for an interesting set of Trials for a new Zodiac quest line, now that I think on it. if all of the original weapons summoned their original owners for you to fight. How cool would that be?). Odin would still be the Primal, since he's being summoned using a mortal medium. It would point at the sword being an object, rather than a primal itself, though. I'm friendly to this idea, personally.. only, it would mean that if Zantetsuken is ever destroyed, Odin would cease to exist as a Primal entirely... which would kinda suck (though I'm sure the realm would be thankful).

The only problem (if you can call it that) with the sentient sword idea is that, despite the Dark Divinity quest heavily implying that the sword is the source of Odin's continued revivals, it has never, not once, shown any sign of sentience. In both the Trial and the FATE, Odin does all the talking. The sword appears to be just a sword. That doesn't mean it's not sentient, mind you. Our Zodiac weapons supposedly achieved consciousness, but they never spoke to us either... much to my disappointment.

Originally Posted by Alberel

I don't get why there is a debate here about if eikon = primal when the very text that sparked the discussion is very clear that they're NOT the same thing.

There's still room for interpretation in the original text though, so I wouldn't describe it as very clear. The lore Q&A regarding the word usage is also a catalyst for the debate, as it seems to contradict the game text a little and casts eikon and primal as the same thing.

wait... has being not already being cleared that primals and eikons are the very same thing?

The allagans called eikons to the primals that were really powerfull but were still primals ( being that consume aether and need sustain from a group of supporters ).
The garleans use this word with misunderstood and called eikon to all primals?

Why we are still debating this?

Whoa! I haven't seen this thread in a while. Kinda makes me wonder when this questline will be continued. It has been a while ...

Originally Posted by Belhi

Because like all things in game it came from an NPC and NPCs can either be wrong or only half right. Primals and Eikons share a lot of properties so the question is what actually makes them different and are Eikons completely different to primals or are they just a special type of primal?

This.

Also, at the time, there was an untrustworthy and unfamiliar in-game character saying one thing and game developers in the Q&A saying another, and neither of them were completely clear on the matter. It caused a lot of polarization in the thread.

Originally Posted by Februs

Whoa! I haven't seen this thread in a while. Kinda makes me wonder when this questline will be continued. It has been a while ...

Hopefully 3.2 will bring some juicy new information since we're apparently facing one of these eikons of old...

As a side note, I had missed the additional dialog you can get from him outside quest conversations, and if I was hoping for any clarification it just left me confused - when asked why he was chosen despite being so young, he says he has "an intimate knowledge of the primal mind" and also says, preempting our apparent curiosity, that "you need not understand the nature of a power to use it, do you? It is much the same with the Echo, I imagine." Infuriatingly enigmatic so many months later.

Originally Posted by Berethos

"you need not understand the nature of a power to use it, do you? It is much the same with the Echo, I imagine." Infuriatingly enigmatic so many months later.

I always found this, in particular, to be a very questionable comment and a pretty firm basis for not trusting him. I mean, that's like saying, "you don't have to know how a gun works to actually use it, right?" Well ... strictly speaking, you're not wrong, but that's not exactly the most responsible attitude towards the topic ...