Entitlement: Why I don't get it

[Xairos]

This whole idea is just stupid. We partake in their product by playing the game. We are not shortchanged because we get delayed on seeing an update for a product. If anything be grateful that they even told us. They could have just said nothing. Most other companies keep word mum to avoid backlash. Im not saying be grateful for the delay, but rather the communication and the transparency. We didnt have this back in the days of FFXI.

Imagine if Apple had a delay in an iOS update. People wouldn't care because they would still be able to USE the actual Product. This is the FFXIV-side of SE and what they are selling: Access to their Digital Product. That's it. We have that, so we aren't being shortchanged at all. Focus on what this really is: People placing all their gameplay hopes and dreams on 3.1 and it making them feel "excited" to play again....for 5 more months.

It's not just good business sense, it's mandatory even if it's not in the contract - and we all know that.

The moment they stop creating new content, almost everybody will unsub not matter how many people, from one side or the other, will cry "...but nothing's changed, you're still being given access to the servers!" because that's what the ToS says. There are promises and expectations (made by SE themselves) that need to be kept and met and right now they are not.

Well not really everyone, I mean how many of us are super fans of old MMOs and would say in a heartbeat: "Just keep the servers open so I can play in that specific world, I wont need much more than that (Paraphrase)" *coughCityofHeroesandotheroldmmoscough*

I mean on one hand you have the need for content updates, I understand that. But on the other, you have the idea of enjoying the game for what it is: A modern Final Fantasy MMO. Which side is this whole argument appealing to? I mean we all can talk about "not rushing through content" but here we are, seeking, with pitchforks in hand, to burn through this content before it's even out just because we can't handle being "bored" for an extra 1.5 months (assuming 3.1 was to come out in October).

[Moqi]

It's not just good business sense, it's mandatory even if it's not in the contract - and we all know that.

The moment they stop creating new content, almost everybody will unsub not matter how many people, from one side or the other, will cry "...but nothing's changed, you're still being given access to the servers!" because that's what the ToS says. There are promises and expectations (made by SE themselves) that need to be kept and met and right now they are not.

[Jynx]

USE the actual Product. This is the FFXIV-side of SE and what they are selling: Access to their Digital Product. That's it.

No MMO developer would say this period it's not event he reality of it. You pay a subscription to access their digital product with the expectation of periodic updates due to the subscription.

Go ahead pitch the idea to tell the community that they are only paying to access the servers and nothing else. Not a soul is going to look at you sane at the product pitch. Your argument is the worst strawman that is constantly brought up, and no consumer who values his investment into the game should think that period.

[Moqi]

Well not really everyone, I mean how many of us are super fans of old MMOs and would say in a heartbeat: "Just keep the servers open so I can play in that specific world, I wont need much more than that (Paraphrase)" *coughCityofHeroesandotheroldmmoscough*

Not enough to keep FFXI running, for one.

[Colorful]

Well not really everyone, I mean how many of us are super fans of old MMOs and would say in a heartbeat: "Just keep the servers open so I can play in that specific world, I wont need much more than that (Paraphrase)" *coughCityofHeroesandotheroldmmoscough*

Clearly not enough, as they wouldn't have shut down if that wasn't the case.

[Xairos]

No MMO developer would say this period it's not event he reality of it. You pay a subscription to access their digital product with the expectation of periodic updates due to the subscription.

Go ahead pitch the idea to tell the community that they are only paying to access the servers and nothing else. Not a soul is going to look at you sane at the product pitch. Your argument is the worst strawman that is constantly brought up, and no consumer who values his investment into the game should think that period.

In your volley at my argument you destroyed your own. The very word you used contains no limitation of the timing between said updates. So no foul is committed here. You would have an argument IF the patch was cancelled. It's not. Just delayed.

Or I could just point to the 2.0 release schedule to show that people are upset because for the same cost (Actually more because the expansion cost extra) we are getting less frequent updates. the Developers are giving us less for us paying more.

There is no limitation on timing and they are free to do yearly updates if they want, that doesn't mean they aren't pushing back the standard they have set without any justified means such as more content per update.

This is it! as you said, the major foul here is that they are messing with their own precedent. To this, I agree. They flew close to the sun and got burned out. But they are still keeping their end of the pay-bargain by still releasing the update.

Not enough to keep FFXI running, for one.

It is still running on PC i think? I mean I can buy it on Steam.

Clearly not enough, as they wouldn't have shut down if that wasn't the case.

NCSoft did shut it down true, but many fans, from my observations, would have been happy to pay a larger fee just to be able to play it again (after it was shut down).

[Jynx]

In your volley at my argument you destroyed your own.

Or I could just point to the 2.0 release schedule to show that people are upset because for the same cost (Actually more because the expansion cost extra) we are getting less frequent updates. the Developers are giving us less for us paying more.

There is no limitation on timing and they are free to do yearly updates if they want, that doesn't mean they aren't pushing back the standard they have set without any justified means such as more content per update.

[Gilraen]

The differences here are very different. It's okay to want something, this is natural and everyone has something they want. But a want isn't a demand, and the 'entitled' only ever seem to make demands. A prime example that's been recent is the hairstyle contest. Players wanted to tell to Square that the voting rules were a little vague and one of the hairstyles was a flat out photoshop of the work of someone who may or may not even be a customer of the game. Square addressed both. Then there were the threads demanding selection changes and recounts cause their (favorite) hairstyle hadn't made the cut. Barely half of the replies in those threads even tried to be congratulatory, and many of those were 'damning with faint praise'. Square isn't obligated to hold contests like these, these are done as an extension to the community as a means to let us design content. We have little say in the processes involved, much less how they are implemented.

[Vickii]

I know that there's tons of people that disagree with me, but I've always looked on products and services in a simple way.

'Do i mind paying x for y'. I never think 'make y better and i'll spend x' and i'd feel ridiculous if i said that while spending anyway (all these people who threaten to quit on a monthly basis).

It's a choice. You choose if you want to pay/play or not. If I got to the point where i didn't feel it was worth the really small amount of money i pay a month, then i'd simply stop paying it.

I'm not saying don't suggest things or recommend things, because this company clearly likes that. But I don't feel entitled to any more than what I'm given as long as i feel its worth what i'm paying.

[Yaichiro]

What's really funny is that they make millions out of players every month while giving limited contents BUT you can never fail to find people who will defend them regardless of what happens. No one here hates the game because if they do, they won't bother with it and would just quit silently but as someone who has seen good MMO ruin themselves by poor PR and horrible management I can tell you one thing if they continue with ARR style and with huge delays for patches, the game might not survive a real competition offered by a new MMO.