Okay...so the minion PvP...is getting RANKING!? And regular PvP isn't? What the HELL!

[Lemuria]

A PvE reward for PvP content?

Shrugging off the PvP levels and unique glamors doesn't make them cease to exist. That's a PvP reward, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. And you can only earn those by doing PvP content.

Honestly, is it really surprising they're not putting in much effort? The queues should tell you how popular PvP is in this game (it's as dead as a dodo filled with nitroglycerine being dropped out of an airplane at 30,000 feet with concrete shoes) so why on earth would they put lots of hours into development into something the players clearly don't care much about?

Surely it makes sense to push development time on areas where people might actually get to play it?

[Awful]

Shrugging off the PvP levels and unique glamors doesn't make them cease to exist. That's a PvP reward, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. And you can only earn those by doing PvP content.

Honestly, is it really surprising they're not putting in much effort?
Surely it makes sense to push development time on areas where people might actually get to play it?

It's a reward by technicality does it help us in PvP? No. Does it help out team by wearing it? No. Does it make me look pretty? Yes! By the gods it must be a great reward! You're missing this thread entirely it's about competition this game is so safe in most of it's areas even the PvP is gated. We have no content right now except Alex, Alex Savage, and expert roulette, I don't think it's dead as on Leviathan I get under 5 min ques everyday. They're wasting our time on mini games rather than focus on making the game enjoyable in PvP areas (I know they need content too but there's been no focus soely on PvP). Maybe you should try PvP, then tell me how dead it is when everyone's running the same dungeon for 5 months on end.

[Lemuria]

Maybe you should try PvP, then tell me how dead it is when everyone's running the same dungeon for 5 months on end.

It's dead. Deal with it. Queues for Frontlines can range from 20-90 minutes, and you only get 20 minute queues on a good day. Even when you finally DO get into a party, they're heavily weighted towards DPS and usually not fully filled (a full group gives you 24 players per side, not 8). If you're getting 5 minute queues, you're the exception, not the rule.

Again, I ask why they should bother putting in huge amounts of work for something which people are clearly not as interested in as you claim? This game was never designed for PvP, and the tacked-on last-minute design of it all should be a clear indication of that. Some skills have been so heavily nerfed in PvP that it renders entire classes meaningless to play. Ever since they locked out Cleric Stance in PvP, there has been almost zero healers. Heck, I never queue as a healer myself because pure healing is mind-numbingly boring in PvP and leaves you virtually defenseless.

As for the 'reward by technicality', well what did you really expect? Morale is meaningless outside of Wolves Den (which by the way is even more dead than Frontlines, lest you wonder), so basically all PvP gear exists for glamor only. What exactly are you expecting for a PvP reward? Gear is moot, since PvE gear will always reign supreme for Frontlines and apparently you don't care about the PvP fashions so it sounds like you don't really want a reward. You're already rewarded with XP to increase your skill levels so what more can they possibly add that's unique to PvP?

I was one of those people who had high hopes for Frontlines, expecting something more than the mundane hack-a-thon that we ended up with. Guild Wars 2's World VS World proved that tactical large-scale PvP can be done very well, and had they borrowed just a few small ideas from that it probably could have attracted a lot more players to it. As it is though, it's a horrible mess of a game desperately trying to balance skills which were never originally designed with PvP in mind.

[Sunako]

It's dead. Deal with it. Queues for Frontlines can range from 20-90 minutes, and you only get 20 minute queues on a good day. Even when you finally DO get into a party, they're heavily weighted towards DPS and usually not fully filled (a full group gives you 24 players per side, not 8). If you're getting 5 minute queues, you're the exception, not the rule..

Well it depends on time once you que. In the morning it may take longer and you get 24 man frontlines and it usually not take over 40min, but in prime time que is really fast especially if you que instantly after last game end. I have myself around 70~ games from this week.

[Awful]

Well it depends on time once you que. In the morning it may take longer and you get 24 man frontlines and it usually not take over 40min, but in prime time que is really fast especially if you que instantly after last game end. I have myself around 70~ games from this week.

I had 15 Seal Rock matches and 9 Frontline matches in the course of 4 hours of fun; " If you're getting 5 minute queues, you're the exception, not the rule.." Oh am I? Funny how I que'd with another 4 of my friends and another 5-6 by myself and got almost the same que time. I switched to Adders to get faster PvP ques. Had great matches all around except for 1 because team, just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't I hope the devs see some of these PvP threads and come up with some ideas.

[Sapphic]

It's dead. Deal with it.

I remember when we PvPd in MMOs because we enjoyed PvP, no rewards just the fun of putting the smackdown. Now it's all about the rewards, not the PvP.

Also PvP should never be about who has the best gear, should only be about who has the most organised team/better players.

[Sunako]

I remember when we PvPd in MMOs because we enjoyed PvP, no rewards just the fun of putting the smackdown. Now it's all about the rewards, not the PvP.

Also PvP should never be about who has the best gear, should only be about who has the most organised team/better players.

Rewards? There is level sync so gear should not matter much.

[Iagainsti]

Also PvP should never be about who has the best gear, should only be about who has the most organised team/better players.

You are describing Frontlines to a tee. What is your gripe exactly?