Okay...so the minion PvP...is getting RANKING!? And regular PvP isn't? What the HELL!

[Iagainsti]

If I got to use the gear I earned through PvP I would like it much better. =)

Rank up like the rest of us did, nothing is stopping you other than yourself and that negative attitude.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Rank up like the rest of us did, nothing is stopping you other than yourself and that negative attitude.

Uh, I will pass.

I would rather work and do a job that pays me rather then work and grind and do a job that doesn't.

Grinding several hundred matches isn't fun and is very tedious in my opinion. Especially when the PvP isn't balanced.

This game, was not designed at all for PvP. It is a PvE game with PvP tacked on and it has no bonuses or anything that makes it fun or competitive.

The Minion PvP however, might be a different story. It gives the developers a chance to actually make balanced PvP because its separated from the PvE game.

[Iagainsti]

Uh, I will pass.

I would rather work and do a job that pays me rather then work and grind and do a job that doesn't.

Grinding several hundred matches isn't fun and is very tedious in my opinion. Especially when the PvP isn't balanced.

So you consider multiple matches a "grind"? There's your problem there.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

So you consider multiple matches a "grind"? There's your problem there.

When your playing an underpowered class. (Not scholar mind you, I am speaking of my alt. My scholar is actually fun to play in PvP.) and going into PvP where you literally get trashed and feel like you have no effect on the fight then it is a "Grind".

It reminds me in WoW when Death Knights and Paladins were OP and trashing everyone in a few hits and were un-killable.

Now, if it was PvP like RIFT where everyone was unique and different? RIFT also had a rank system, but it wasn't as bad as getting the gear for it and it was removed every season. (3 months.) So PvPers who played a lot still had an advantage but it was short lived.

If PvP is grindy and feels like a job more then fun then its not well designed.

For FL, I totally agree that a mix match of 160/170/190/200 gear to exclude acc and parry is more than enough. For those of us looking forward to the ranked WD, we will use the pvp gear, extra wolf marks now that I have my sets(and when I had my i110 set) are an easy dump for desynth, no different than dungeon drops. So by your logic, it's sad that I desynth valerian gear or trade it for seals?

Valerian gear looks extremely cool.. but not dyable,
Valerian gear is far easier to get.
Valerian gear does not have crappy and stupid requirements attached.

[Iagainsti]

When your playing an underpowered class. (Not scholar mind you, I am speaking of my alt. My scholar is actually fun to play in PvP.) and going into PvP where you literally get trashed and feel like you have no effect on the fight then it is a "Grind".

You are all over the place, amigo(I should expect this from you now, my bad really) This does not validate your original point. One, there are no underpowered class in FFXIV, especially in FL(which I know you're not doing WD) Healers, DDs and Tanks all function very well if played right. You need the practice you'd get from "grinding" matches if you're getting thrashed. A couple 100 matches might actually do your skills some good.