November? really?

[Dererk]

*shakes his head at people who say 3.0 didn't offer much*

Three new jobs, increase level cap with new skills included (and crafts to cover the increased level cap), unsynced party (ie solo dungeoning), loads of new dungeons, new primals, flying, new zones, new city, new idle town, new gear, new hunts, new quests, new gathering systems, FC crafting, airships... am I missing more? Probably.

1. Not every one bothers leveling more than 2,3 jobs.

2. Not every one bothers with crafting or gathering. (I for one find them boring.)

3. Hunts? (hysterically laughs) no hunts are one of the worse open world things they ever put into this game.

4. Yes they gave us new zones but they given us nothing to do in them at level 60 don't bother saying hunts just look at number 3 again.

5. Every one hates Bismarck. They took steps of fate which a lot of people do not like and still leave if they get it for daily's. And turns the thing into a Big dps check. Yes Ravana is interesting but with eso weapons no one farms him now.

6. They jumped 50 item levels once you get to 60 in gear.


I will add that one of the big reasons for lack of end game at 60 is because they raised the level cap to 60. If it had stayed at 50 we could have gotten more end game stuff after the Heavensward story. And we could have maybe even goten horizontal gear progression they could have gone a new way in getting stronger. But no new level cap and even higher item level gear.

[Hyrist]

1. Not every one bothers leveling more than 2,3 jobs.

2. Not every one bothers with crafting or gathering. (for one find them boring.)

3. Hunts? (hysterically laughs) no hunts are one of the worse open world things they ever put into this game.

4. Yes they gave us new zones but they given us nothing to do in them at level 60 don't bother saying hunts just look at number 3 again.

1. Your leveling process from 50-60 on your first character did not exist then?

2. The game is not designe to appeal to everyone the same way. Just because you ignore the content, does not quanitfy the exclusion of it. This is something to do, it does not appeal to you. You are, in part, responsible for your own boredom.

3. Hunts expand more than just the Zerg variety. Treasure Hunts could also be in the variety which do include the following.

4. This is different how from level 50? Open zones were mostly leveling and gathering grounds through the entirety of 2.0. Hunts, which you so much dislike, wasn't even planned content before the feedback of wanting more open world stuff to do at 50. That said, those who seek gear for glamours still, like at 50, have the ability to go hunting for specific FATEs or FATE chains that can provide them with unique gear. (Not unlike Treasure Hunts, in that regard.)

No where, in any of Heavensward's advertising, was there a promise of a complete and revamped endgame. In fact, Alexander was pretty much the only mention made to be coming in the 3.0x series. That does not disqualify the content released, which was, as promised, enough to fill a classic single player RPG. SE is not responsible for inflated expectation.

[Kaurie]

1. Your leveling process from 50-60 on your first character did not exist then?

2. The game is not designe to appeal to everyone the same way. Just because you ignore the content, does not quanitfy the exclusion of it. This is something to do, it does not appeal to you. You are, in part, responsible for your own boredom.

3. Hunts expand more than just the Zerg variety. Treasure Hunts could also be in the variety which do include the following.

4. This is different how from level 50? Open zones were mostly leveling and gathering grounds through the entirety of 2.0. Hunts, which you so much dislike, wasn't even planned content before the feedback of wanting more open world stuff to do at 50. That said, those who seek gear for glamours still, like at 50, have the ability to go hunting for specific FATEs or FATE chains that can provide them with unique gear. (Not unlike Treasure Hunts, in that regard.)

No where, in any of Heavensward's advertising, was there a promise of a complete and revamped endgame. In fact, Alexander was pretty much the only mention made to be coming in the 3.0x series. That does not disqualify the content released, which was, as promised, enough to fill a classic single player RPG. SE is not responsible for inflated expectation.

The issue is that the expansion effectively removed more content than it added.

This is for another thread though.

also

SE is not responsible for inflated expectation.

lol you sound like their lawyer. Also, yes they are.

[Daralii]

The issue is that the expansion effectively removed more content than it added.

This is for another thread though.

C'mon, you can't say something like that and not elaborate. :v

[Kaurie]

C'mon, you can't say something like that and not elaborate. :v

I feel that it's obvious. There are also approximately 5 40-page long threads discussing this that are on the first few pages of this very forum.

However, cliffs notes version is:
Due to adding levels (which I am not against) they made all level 50 content not relevant.
The majority of the content added was betweens level 50 and 60, so once you hit 60 it's not relevant.
They added an ex primal which were obsolete upon launch (due to law > bismark weap)
They made the other ex primal obsolete not much later (with eso > rav weap)
They made Alex NM obsolete 2 weeks after it launched with the addition of esoterics and savage

Essentially, a lot of content was added and was already in the game, and due to their design, they made 99% of it obsolete very quickly. It's an easy fix in many ways though. They need to provide appropriate incentives to go to other content. Here some ideas to help keep more content relevant:
- Give us more esoterics for leveling roulette, get us doing other dungeons than the same 2
- Give us esoterics for hunts, get us out in the open world
- Less esoterics for expert roulette
- Ponies or mounts from ex primals
- 190 rings from Rav ex to couple with Alex NM
- The ability to replay side-quests and stories
- Give experience from the High Level Dungeons (apparently coming in a couple months?) - guess what, fate grinding is boring and so is spamming the same 1 dungeon over and over and over. Let me go play some of the many fun level 50 ones rather than making every single one of them pointless.
- Put a cap on spending esoterics per job, rather than earning esoterics. If I want to spend more time playing the game, I don't see why I can't use that time to equip my Scholar. Right now, I've capped Eso's, so I can log in and do something I hate (like crafting) or idle. Why not let me do something I enjoy? Makes no sense.
etc etc.

From Relevancy, I would agree - provisionally. We would have to disregard the entirety of leveling content and focus purely on the endgame comparison to reach your conclusion.

No there is clearly more content at level 50 that has become obsolete than was added even in the leveling. It took 2 days to hit 60, it really wasn't that much.

[Hyrist]

The issue is that the expansion effectively removed more content than it added.

This is for another thread though.

From Relevancy, I would agree - provisionally. We would have to disregard the entirety of leveling content and focus purely on the endgame comparison to reach your conclusion.