November? really?

[Wizarus]

Attacking someone about their personal life on the basis of a list of things that they still want to do in-game seems kind of misguided at best; at worst it's terribly aggressive and rude. So they enjoy many aspects of the game. What's it to you? Why does that make you feel the need to ask them about their personal lives and what they do or don't have there?

I'll never understand this attitude.

It's rather the opposite actually, people don't enjoy certain parts of the game, and the white knights attack. Almost any post that has "This community" or "This Forum" or something similar should be taken with a grain of salt.

Edit: This thread is moving too fast, lol

[Nalien]

Fallout 4 is a Bethesda game and those last me hundreds of hours, and that's before mods.

Perhaps that's exactly how SE justified it; "Fallout 4 is a Bethesda game, it'll be buggy as hell and nigh-on unplayable for a month or two!". Star Wars Battlefront has been chewed up by EA and is a crippled shade of its former self at this point, Battlefield fans may like it, but fans of the original Battlefronts are already disappointed... Can't talk about Tomb Raider or Halo 5 (which has the unwinnable (IMO) battle of being a Xbone exclusive and turning around Halo 4s utter meh-ity), because my interest in them was never there to begin with.

I'll still be playing the crap out of Fallout 4 though, but... Is that going to be an issue? I'm currently playing the crap out of New Vegas in sweet sweet anticipation... It's not getting in the way of Esoterics/Scrips, so I can't see 4 doing so either. I am going to have to wait a while for Fallout 4s many bugs to be fixed, so I'm likely to be stopping by the Gold Saucer for some Lord of Verminion when I hit my 6th crash to desktop within 10 minutes of playing 4...

[Hyrist]

It's rather the opposite actually, people don't enjoy certain parts of the game, and the white knights attack. Almost any post that has "This community" or "This Forum" or something similar should be taken with a grain of salt.

Actually, it works both ways. Any sort of enjoyment gets sniped at by some snide comment, any sort of criticism gets hotly defended and the person commenting put into question.

Both sides are responsible for the toxic environment, and it's a major contributor to why many people avoid the forums.

[Wizarus]

Actually, it works both ways. Any sort of enjoyment gets sniped at by some snide comment, any sort of criticism gets hotly defended and the person commenting put into question.

Both sides are responsible for the toxic environment, and it's a major contributor to why many people avoid the forums.

Yes, I will admit it does go both ways and it was rather rude to bring up personal life stuff over FFXIV.

[RiceisNice]

This is misinformation, due to being overly general. We have been given a lot of new information that we did not have before. They are related to topics we've been talking about for a long time, but we have been given new, important information that effectively changes the outlook on the content previously revealed.

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned a long while back just what sort of things exploratory voyages would go over, such as using your FC ship, entering as a full alliance, it not being instanced, and hunting notorious monsters. Void Ark they'd go over drop rules, party compositions, all of which are givens since it's a Ct-styled content. From my end, it's retelling us what we already know because I already expected these sort of things based on the previous preview they have already given us or stray developer comments in the forums.

[AsahinaMyLove]

*Laughs at those "players" saying -game gets boring-*

Thats what you get if you rush everything and want everything in only 1-2days!!! D: <


I could still shake my head, till it breaks from my neck, about those already ilvl180 players I saw on JUST 2nd day after HW got released! =.=

[Hyrist]

Yes, I will admit it does go both ways and it was rather rude to bring up personal life stuff over FFXIV.

To do so in a derogatory fashion, certainly. But I don't think it is wrong to raise the question of a person's individual health when signs are being made that perhaps a healthy life is being traded away for more game time. Concern for someone's health should not be discouraged.

I can't speak as to the context of the conversation in question specifically as I confess I did not read it.

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned a long while back just what sort of things exploratory voyages would go over, such as using your FC ship, entering as a full alliance, it not being instanced, and hunting notorious monsters. Void Ark they'd go over drop rules, party compositions, all of which are givens since it's a Ct-styled content. From my end, it's retelling us what we already know because I already expected these sort of things based on the previous preview they have already given us or stray developer comments in the forums.

Nothing in indications of any of the records state that the zones are not instanced. In fact, IIRC this is last live letter was first mention of any sort of concept that there was other parties sharing the same area with you. And from the indications of such, it sounds like it won't be crowded. Again, this is all speculative. But the details I was referring to was the reward structure of Exploratory Missions, the possiblity of randomized loot that could equate to high-tier 210 gear, where before we had no idea whether or not these drops would even be relative to endgame. That changes things rather dramatically.

[Kaurie]

Random note, but who at SE thought early November was a good date to release 3.1? Fallout 4, Star Wars Battlefront 3, Halo 5 and Rise of the Tomb Raider. I'd think they'd have trouble competing against Fallout 4 alone (let's face it, if someone unsubs now there's a good chance they're not going to resub when Fallout 4 hits within a week of 3.1), but all of those other games too? Fallout 4 is a Bethesda game and those last me hundreds of hours, and that's before mods.

I know someone is going to go "but not all FFXIV players are interested in Fallout", and you're right, but I wouldn't be surprised if a huge amount were. This is going to be the being release of 2015 by a long shot (I'm a huge Witcher fanboy and can see that).

You missed Legacy of the Void!

I concur, it is odd the amount of great games launching at the exact same time (well in this case a patch).

November seems too far for me really. October is too far. It really needed to keep with the 3 month cycle and launch mid-late September. I get they needed vacation, but did the ENTIRE team take vacation at the SAME time? I've never seen a business do this. I personally cannot take vacation at the same time as someone else in my department, nevermind the entire office. I'm also fairly certain if I told my boss that our department got a report out to a client 2 months later than normal because we all went on vacation, we'd probably be fired.

They're giving us less content than they've set an expectation for via having the patch delayed, yet we are paying more (sub still + cost of expansion). So, to me, the vacation excuse is pretty lame rather than warranted. I feel that I've had the services that I am paying for be misrepresented, and that discourages me from continuing supporting to support the devs. I'm also very bored of the game, and that discourages me from continuing to support the game.

TBH this just couples with the fact that I thought 3.0 was when they were making things interesting, but instead they're staying with the same "basic" formula. I quoted basic, because that is what Yoshi said himself. 2.0 was to get the "basics" and 3.0 and beyond would make it interesting. It's not.

So yes. Likely, SE will lose my business to Legacy of the Void and Fallout 4, and possibly F2P Wildstar.

[Colorful]

Perhaps that's exactly how SE justified it; "Fallout 4 is a Bethesda game, it'll be buggy as hell and nigh-on unplayable for a month or two!". Star Wars Battlefront has been chewed up by EA and is a crippled shade of its former self at this point, Battlefield fans may like it, but fans of the original Battlefronts are already disappointed... Can't talk about Tomb Raider or Halo 5 (which has the unwinnable (IMO) battle of being a Xbone exclusive and turning around Halo 4s utter meh-ity), because my interest in them was never there to begin with.

I'll still be playing the crap out of Fallout 4 though, but... Is that going to be an issue? I'm currently playing the crap out of New Vegas in sweet sweet anticipation... It's not getting in the way of Esoterics/Scrips, so I can't see 4 doing so either. I am going to have to wait a while for Fallout 4s many bugs to be fixed, so I'm likely to be stopping by the Gold Saucer for some Lord of Verminion when I hit my 6th crash to desktop within 10 minutes of playing 4...

I always see this stuff about Bethesda games but never experience their "unplayable" state, maybe I'm just incredibly lucky? As for the rest, anyone "invested" into the gaming medium knows how much shit sells, as long as it's by the right publisher and having the large name of Star Wars attached will only help that. Battlefield 4 has sold over 7 million copies to date and that's the numbers from over a year ago, that game was a horrendous pile shite on release. There will always be that vocal minority that scream the franchise's death, but they always go on. I'm sure we're all familiar with that. The thing is though, most MMO players don't care enough to post about their dislike with how things are going, and just unsubscribe.

If they're enjoying Fallout 4 and then the chore of doing the scrips or capping Eso is on the back of their head why would they stop playing FO4 in the possibly little time they have to do those things? Unfortunately I paid in advance until December as I thought the patch was going to be out mid-September, but that was my mistake. The way I see it is "Should I continue subscribing this game and play it alongside these other games?" or "Should I take a break for 1-2 months and return to a heap of a content with only 1-2 months left to go until I get more?", but as I said, we'll never know as SE doesn't release sub numbers.

[lordparanoia]

See you in November then. No harm no foul.

I just don't understand the reason why if a person says that is getting bored people start writing "stop saying it's boring just don't play until november".
You know, people have... opinions.