November? really?

[Wizarus]

Attacking someone about their personal life on the basis of a list of things that they still want to do in-game seems kind of misguided at best; at worst it's terribly aggressive and rude. So they enjoy many aspects of the game. What's it to you? Why does that make you feel the need to ask them about their personal lives and what they do or don't have there?

I'll never understand this attitude.

It's rather the opposite actually, people don't enjoy certain parts of the game, and the white knights attack. Almost any post that has "This community" or "This Forum" or something similar should be taken with a grain of salt.

Edit: This thread is moving too fast, lol

[Hyrist]

It's rather the opposite actually, people don't enjoy certain parts of the game, and the white knights attack. Almost any post that has "This community" or "This Forum" or something similar should be taken with a grain of salt.

Actually, it works both ways. Any sort of enjoyment gets sniped at by some snide comment, any sort of criticism gets hotly defended and the person commenting put into question.

Both sides are responsible for the toxic environment, and it's a major contributor to why many people avoid the forums.

[Wizarus]

Actually, it works both ways. Any sort of enjoyment gets sniped at by some snide comment, any sort of criticism gets hotly defended and the person commenting put into question.

Both sides are responsible for the toxic environment, and it's a major contributor to why many people avoid the forums.

Yes, I will admit it does go both ways and it was rather rude to bring up personal life stuff over FFXIV.

[Hyrist]

Yes, I will admit it does go both ways and it was rather rude to bring up personal life stuff over FFXIV.

To do so in a derogatory fashion, certainly. But I don't think it is wrong to raise the question of a person's individual health when signs are being made that perhaps a healthy life is being traded away for more game time. Concern for someone's health should not be discouraged.

I can't speak as to the context of the conversation in question specifically as I confess I did not read it.

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned a long while back just what sort of things exploratory voyages would go over, such as using your FC ship, entering as a full alliance, it not being instanced, and hunting notorious monsters. Void Ark they'd go over drop rules, party compositions, all of which are givens since it's a Ct-styled content. From my end, it's retelling us what we already know because I already expected these sort of things based on the previous preview they have already given us or stray developer comments in the forums.

Nothing in indications of any of the records state that the zones are not instanced. In fact, IIRC this is last live letter was first mention of any sort of concept that there was other parties sharing the same area with you. And from the indications of such, it sounds like it won't be crowded. Again, this is all speculative. But the details I was referring to was the reward structure of Exploratory Missions, the possiblity of randomized loot that could equate to high-tier 210 gear, where before we had no idea whether or not these drops would even be relative to endgame. That changes things rather dramatically.

[RiceisNice]

Nothing in indications of any of the records state that the zones are not instanced. In fact, IIRC this is last live letter was first mention of any sort of concept that there was other parties sharing the same area with you. And from the indications of such, it sounds like it won't be crowded. Again, this is all speculative. But the details I was referring to was the reward structure of Exploratory Missions, the possiblity of randomized loot that could equate to high-tier 210 gear, where before we had no idea whether or not these drops would even be relative to endgame. That changes things rather dramatically.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3263938


It's not the first time they've mentioned that you'd be tackling this with other people aside from your party/alliance. The only thing that's new is that the type of rewards they give, but new content giving rewards is a given., whether or not its equal to tomestone gear or upgraded tomestone gear. Void Ark dropping ilvl 200 or 210 wouldn't make much of a meaningful impact because we're still going to do them anyway if the ilvl 200 pieces are better optimized stats than eso, or its ilvl210 and it serves as an alternate way of gearing toward savage. I just don't feel like it's a good use of their time to go through setting up a liveletter just to announce something like that.

Of course there's also the details they brought up on LoV, but hardly anyone is talking about that from what I see.

[Hyrist]

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Your source gives no indication that these parties are or are not of the same alliance. To which, last night, they confirmed both possibilities. Which, honestly, leaves more questions than answers.

We're going to have to just disagree on the rest. Which comes as no surprise based on my observation on your posting trends. You're entitled to your opinion that it felt like nothing new is posted. However I staunchly disagree on the matters of relevance of topics revealed.

They could easily hire more people, so they can take deserved breaks.

That may not be their decision, but of SE's. Regardless, you're welcome to go. They were aware of the possibility when they made the decision.

[RiceisNice]

Your source gives no indication that these parties are or are not of the same alliance. To which, last night, they confirmed both possibilities. Which, honestly, leaves more questions than answers.

We're going to have to just disagree on the rest. Which comes as no surprise based on my observation on your posting trends. You're entitled to your opinion that it felt like nothing new is posted. However I staunchly disagree on the matters of relevance of topics revealed.

Going into semantics territory when they say "multiple parties" because an alliance is only ever limited to 3 parties (which honestly can create just as much backlash as the whole housing fiasco back then if they really did instance explorations to one alliance per). But agree to disagree then; the fact that I can get a different inference from what we're already given than you is enough to give different expectations and perspectives.

[Iromi]

That may not be their decision, but of SE's. Regardless, you're welcome to go. They were aware of the possibility when they made the decision.

I remember once they said they keep a small dev team because they prefer quality over quantity...how true that is, I have no idea. However I will refrain from posting anything else due to fear of getting banned on forums again ^^; All I can say is, hope the November update is good!