Concerns about the Chaos datacenter decisions

[Nekodar]

People get a free transfer OFF Chaos after the datacenter move because their connections to the datacenter may get negatively impacted.
EU players staying on NA datacenters are not affected by the datacenter move.

Prior to beta phase 4, Ragnarok was designated as an EU world for the purpose of the transfer before launch... As I recall it, there was also a free transfer after that, where legacy players were just locked to legacy worlds.

[BreathlessTao]

EU players staying on NA datacenters are not affected by the datacenter move.

EU players on NA worlds are affected by the datacenter move, since there'll be a better, more "desirable" if you like, option for them afterwards.
Not to mention having a server cluster physically in Europe (that, for all intents and purposes, should have been done right at the start) is something they're doing for the European players. Forcing them to pay extra to benefit from it is a very infuriating move. Because if NA players aren't held responsible for rolling on a "recommended" EU server, when it made no difference with only a hint of an uncertain change sometime in the future, and get a free ticket out of it - neither should EU players having rolled on NA worlds back then be held responsible for their decisions.

Seriously, stop with the double standards for NA and EU, it's completely maddening.

[MentheusDreyar]

EU players on NA worlds are affected by the datacenter move, since there'll be a better, more "desirable" if you like, option for them afterwards.
Not to mention having a server cluster physically in Europe (that, for all intents and purposes, should have been done right at the start) is something they're doing for the European players. Forcing them to pay extra to benefit from it is a very infuriating move. Because if NA players aren't held responsible for rolling on a "recommended" EU server, when it made no difference with only a hint of an uncertain change sometime in the future, and get a free ticket out of it - neither should EU players having rolled on NA worlds back then be held responsible for their decisions.

Seriously, stop with the double standards for NA and EU, it's completely maddening.

Errmmmm no? EU players on NA server's will have the EXACT SAME experience as they do now, but NA on the EU server WILL have a WORSE experience. Their CURRENT experience isn't negatively affected therefore they don't need the free transfer.

Stop think you're entitled to everything... If they are having issues, they can now do something about it on the server end by moving to the new actual EU server, but it was their choice to populate a NA server with this possibility to happen in the future...

[Adoulin]

Errmmmm no? EU players on NA server's will have the EXACT SAME experience as they do now, but NA on the EU server WILL have a WORSE experience. Their CURRENT experience isn't negatively affected therefore they don't need the free transfer.

Stop think you're entitled to everything... If they are having issues, they can now do something about it on the server end by moving to the new actual EU server, but it was their choice to populate a NA server with this possibility to happen in the future...

so?? it does not mean its ok for us to stay lagging, before we didnt have another option but to play on anything since all servers located in NA. what a selfish remark...

so how is it fair for NA who pick server that clearly said EU recommended is ok but not ok for EU who picked NA recommeneded? either free for all or both sides pay. and yet again another selfish remark..

[Themis]

so?? it does not mean its ok for us to stay lagging, before we didnt have another option but to play on anything since all servers located in NA. what a selfish remark...

so how is it fair for NA who pick server that clearly said EU recommended is ok but not ok for EU who picked NA recommeneded? either free for all or both sides pay. and yet again another selfish remark..

Because a player from the EU had the option to pick either an EU server or an NA one and opted for an NA one. It was completely their choice to ignore the potential that things might change and an EU datacenter would open up. I think even Legacy players had the option of moving to an EU (Legacy) server back when the transfer service started - they could have moved then for free.

Personally, I think they should offer a single character transfer for free for all EU account holders and any player with a character on a currently designated EU server (how it is currently). NA players not on those servers don't need a free transfer as this does not affect them at all.

[MentheusDreyar]

so?? it does not mean its ok for us to stay lagging, before we didnt have another option but to play on anything since all servers located in NA. what a selfish remark...

so how is it fair for NA who pick server that clearly said EU recommended is ok but not ok for EU who picked NA recommeneded? either free for all or both sides pay. and yet again another selfish remark..

Again you had your choice of server and chose one marked for NA... there was your option. You willingly chose an NA server over the "EU" server.

It's fair because if you've been playing this long on NA located servers then you likely don't have much of a problem and find it tolerable and that WONT CHANGE. Whereas NA players on the new EU servers will HAVE A WORST CONNECTION soon as opposed to now. It's not hard to grasp, it's unfair to not offer the free option because of a server relocation as it may not even be remotely playable for them, whereas its clearly playable for you now.

[Trotsky]

The whole situation is ridiculous. It defies logic and reason. So it's possible somehow that enough NA players ended up on EU servers that they're giving them a free transfer, but EU players on NA servers - noooooo, not possible at all. It's ancient history now, and a lot of people tend to forget, but Ragnarok was pretty boring in 1.x era, which is why people weren't so eager to move. That single star in OP's screenshot is a proof of that. Also on that screenshot you can see that all of the NA servers were recommended for EU players, not just Ragnarok. All of them. Which is why free transfer from NA to EU should be pretty much a given. It's bewildering how they managed to screw this up.

[Snugglebutt]

The whole situation is ridiculous. It defies logic and reason.

It does not defy logic or reason at all.

Ragnarok is a very full world and every day I have to queue to get into it despite being my starter world back in 1.0 for example (since the OP kept talking about Ragnarok)...so it makes sense to not allow free transfers to the world unless space is freed up on a large scale, it is possible a free transfer to it could be possible IF enough people transfer off it but not until then. Currently keeping it a charged for service to transfer to it is a way to better manage or reduce that influx while the server is near or at capacity.

It also makes sense to allow free transfers off the data centre for non-EU players which will open up enough space for that potential future free transfer to the worlds, but again you should not put the carriage before the horse. Put simply SE are doing it the smart way and there is logic and reason behind it, allow free transfers off the server for non-EU players first and foremost while not allowing for free transfers to it unless enough space is opened up as an end result of how many leave which is currently unknown as to how many will do so.

[BreathlessTao]

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It's a completely different subject that the fact that SE allows free transfers to worlds that are already full also defies logic and reason. Not allowing new characters to be created on those servers means jack s××t if at the same time everyone is allowed to transfer to those same servers whenever. They could lock individual servers down and not allow transfers to them - in general, this is not affected by region or the moving of a servers, at all.

The thing is, European players have been pushed to the side for too long (do take a look around and see how even much smaller companies can operate actual European servers from the launch of their games). Now this move is happening, actual European servers for the actual European players, and lo and behold, everyone and their grandmothers who are not European get a free ticket to adjust to it - people whose gaming experience has already been "desirable" so far as well. But not the actual European players, whom this is being done for. Not the actual European players, who have already been suffering a sub-par gaming experience for years. No, the actual European players, who are affected one way or another, are expected to pay even more to adjust to this new situation, to benefit from something that is being done for their sake. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but we all have been paying the same sub fee all this time, everyone's money is already in this move as much as anyone else's.

Yeah, completely ok indeed..........

[Taika]

Hey, there's already this thread asking to allow EU players move from NA for free, not just the other way around. Please post in the thread and like the OP if you want to support this request!