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    [DEV1006, DEV1018] How to improve retainers?

    I was thinking about market wards.

    Being a NPC, it's possibile to add some nice feature to a retainer.

    1. to send message through the NPC pearl. For example "Master, I sold XXXX"

    2. to register /tell messages from players. We can use that for request of items, offers for items...
    3. to give some information about the master or other. For example "I have 50 goldsmith, if you need something /tell me" or "items are +1"
    4. to buy. We can put a max offer for an item and a player can directly sell it to the retainer.
    5. Able to synthetize ingredients (when it is not possible to fail).
    6. a better structure in the inventory. more subcategories (ALL, armor, weapons, crystals, plants, leathers...)
    7. I don't think we really need 3 market wards. We can fuse these together. The problem can be the loading time.

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    I have 10,000 needles,
    I'm not a weaver,
    and I'm not scared to use them.

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    OBS: Fix your tags. the dev tag must be at tag list and not at title...and separated by comma. Just put a [suggestion] or something similar at title. Fix this for your feedback to become valid. ^^

    This is a good idea. IMO SE should turn retainers your arm at cities.

    - Retainers having baazar message would be awesome. 3 lines, like XI has, is more than enough for some custom info regarding the shop.

    - You should be able to use Retainer list to communicate to them...just like if was a NPC LS. Being able to add/remove items at baazar from distance would be awesome (and logic...you do "can" tell a retainer what to put in baazar with a LS).

    - Retainer list should also be used for an actual temporary character change. Retainer have inventoruy and gil, so we could just "possess" the retainer a bit to walk wit it around the market ward (market ward only. You can change wards with the retainer but can't leave the market ward), allowing you to use search and even buying stuff from other retainers or trading with other players. Once the player change back to his character, the retainer should reset to the ward and position he was.
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    Let them actually level up somehow, like they're all supposed to since they all say "level 1" but nothing every happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus View Post
    I was thinking about market wards.

    Being a NPC, it's possibile to add some nice feature to a retainer.

    1. to send message through the NPC pearl. For example "Master, I sold XXXX"

    2. to register /tell messages from players. We can use that for request of items, offers for items...
    3. to give some information about the master or other. For example "I have 50 goldsmith, if you need something /tell me" or "items are +1"
    4. to buy. We can put a max offer for an item and a player can directly sell it to the retainer.
    5. Able to synthetize ingredients (when it is not possible to fail).
    6. a better structure in the inventory. more subcategories (ALL, armor, weapons, crystals, plants, leathers...)
    7. I don't think we really need 3 market wards. We can fuse these together. The problem can be the loading time.

    Others?
    That's an easy one.... remove and replace with an AH.

    Everything in one spot... no need to run around.
    Never look for an item again, go walk to the retainer just to realize someone just bought it before you.
    No more instability as the game wont need to render 50 retainers in one place anymore... just 3-4 NPC in a builing/counter...

    Easy, userfriendlly, faster, etc etc etc... AH for the win!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rentahamster View Post
    Let them actually level up somehow, like they're all supposed to since they all say "level 1" but nothing every happens.
    I agree. Retainers can be used for some gambling minigame, for example races or card games, or they can level up selling things. levelling they can gain skills, improve the storage, acquire cosmetics.
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    I have 10,000 needles,
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    and I'm not scared to use them.

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    While this thread
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ath-Companions

    ...isn't specifically about retainers, I believe at least the cosmetic/personalization improvement suggested could and should apply to retainers as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    While this thread
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ath-Companions

    ...isn't specifically about retainers, I believe at least the cosmetic/personalization improvement suggested could and should apply to retainers as well.
    I agree 100%! Retainers should be customizable...not only dressing the stuff he's selling, but being able to change its default armor too. IMO retainers should be an advanced version of the fellow NPC from FFXI, being not only usable for battle but also to deal with anything regarding the city it is since it also has inventory and gil.

    I even sent them suggestions about a way for retainers to become leve giver for the player so the guildleve system would really become an "wanted board" but, other than current leves and eventual new faction leves, being 100% player-made. Like you assign the material and a retainer to place a leve. When someone complete it, he goes to the inn, deliver to the assigned retainer and that's it.
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    A Safe Zone for Retainers out in the field:
    the retainer will not participant , just carry a basket or something to hold more items then sort into storage after.

    Retainers are Helpers, so temporarily magical summoning them next to you would be a nice feature, however this probably can't be used more then once a day or twice per day. They don't have to participant in battles or gather directly with us players(maybe in the future they could) just having them nearby so we can pass/take items in storage right then and their, more so then having to teleport/running back to a city to get to them.

    also when logging into the game FFXIV have a Picture/Info of Retainers somewhere in there with our profile as well.
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    Last edited by Dras6fin; 03-14-2011 at 07:50 AM. Reason: fixed

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    Implement Housing and make the retainer my house keeper XD

    Seriously, I love your suggestions, particulary the NPC linkpearl
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    More Thoughts

    Yes, I like the idea of having messages sent to you indicating when something has been sold. What would be nice is a history that gives you a list of what you sold, when you sold it, and for what price. If possible, let me graph it.

    Give the retainers the ability to level up based on how much money they make (or other factors). Put in specific algorithms in place to prevent gaming of the system (e.g. putting up a whole bunch of items and having a friend buy it all at once and give you back the money)

    Upon level up, a retainer's appearance can change, it can have increased item capacity, it can have increased bazaar capacity, it can sell things for less tax, etc.
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