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  1. #11
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    As for 35 durab rotations with zero Hasties, I made a comparison of Mithrie's, yours and my rotations here:

    With both 444 CP, although you have an extra IQ stack, I think I am able to squeeze out slightly more quality with my rotation, since I have an extra Great Strides & extra Innovation in there.

    Anyway, personally, I have been using my rotations at 412 CP because i150 gear with melding provides at least 395 CP, and all I needed was a NQ Stone Soup (37 gil from the Gold Saucer) to add 17 CP to reach 412, which I pop at will and require no crafting to make.

    With i170 accessories, my CP is much higher now and can afford stronger version of these rotations. But before I had any i170, all my 412 CP rotations were still usable.

    As for the lvl 58 rotation, I have tested and compared with many, many other rotations. I am very confident and dare say that it's MAXED for 412 CP (without the use of Hasty). If anyone can get more quality squeezed out than that in 412 CP, I will gladly pledge myself to be her/his apprentice! LOL! :P
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    Last edited by Caimie_Tsukino; 09-18-2015 at 08:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    consisting of MaMa+FS to save 10 durab, used WN2 and MM2, which are the 2 best durab-conservation skills we can afford in a macro at the moment with our CP pool, and then finish off with Ingen2+CS II spam. Still, I'm not a big fan of Hasty in macros... I will definitely manual craft my 1 star at the moment.
    Thanks Caimie. And you're right you're better of manually doing one star... but I suspect the macro I posted would be ok for cheep food. Actually I think I'm going to post a slight variation of what I posted as my recommended 1 star approach. The only change being you would want to cast inner quiet after the first CZ.
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    Last edited by Katlyna; 09-18-2015 at 09:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    Evian, good attempt! But that rotation has only 6 touches in there... For 1 star, we usually need about 9 touches to get it HQ. Your rotation will require the use of all HQ mats, and still, you may not get it to 100% HQ rate... :/
    I gave the instructions on how to get it to 100% HQ, yes, you will need to use some HQ mats OR get lucky with Precise Touches. Macros are for mindlessly mass-producing products anyway. If you're that concerned with taking 1-star items from purely NQ materials to a 100% HQ synthesis, you should definitely be crafting manually and using a reliable rotation. I don't like including Hasty Touches or Flawless Syntheses in macros, but I will craft manually with them, no questions asked.
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    Last edited by EvianEverdeen; 09-18-2015 at 11:49 PM.
    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    As for 35 durab rotations with zero Hasties, I made a comparison of Mithrie's, yours and my rotations here:
    With both 444 CP, although you have an extra IQ stack, I think I am able to squeeze out slightly more quality with my rotation, since I have an extra Great Strides & extra Innovation in there.
    I'll test your macro right now and see. The one I created is doing pretty well actually, but if yours is better, I'll make the switch. Mithrie's macro is useless right now, some of his stuff sorely needs updated to reflect better crafting stats. I usually love his stuff, but it's part of the reason I went out looking for another macro and ended up creating my own.

    EDIT: Your 35 durability macro (444 CP version) does come out to having more quality in the end product (just by a couple hundred progress, but still more). Now I have to decide if I want to use your macro and lose the extra Basic Touch and losing a possible Precise Touch proc or going with the more reliable (slightly) higher quality outcome. Good work!
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    Last edited by EvianEverdeen; 09-19-2015 at 12:02 AM.
    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

  5. #15
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    Caimie Tsukino
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen View Post
    I'll test your macro right now and see. The one I created is doing pretty well actually, but if yours is better, I'll make the switch. Mithrie's macro is useless right now, some of his stuff sorely needs updated to reflect better crafting stats. I usually love his stuff, but it's part of the reason I went out looking for another macro and ended up creating my own.

    EDIT: Your 35 durability macro (444 CP version) does come out to having more quality in the end product (just by a couple hundred progress, but still more). Now I have to decide if I want to use your macro and lose the extra Basic Touch and losing a possible Precise Touch proc or going with the more reliable (slightly) higher quality outcome. Good work!
    Thanks! ^^

    Mithrie is a crafter who has accomplished a lot within a reasonably short period of time. His stuff works fine too, and he has helped many people. He has my respect for that. But his rotations have much room for improvement. I think people like Katlyna, Jade, Rath etc put in a lot more effort in refining their rotations, so their rotations are usually more effective and CP-efficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    Mithrie is a crafter who has accomplished a lot within a reasonably short period of time. His stuff works fine too, and he has helped many people. He has my respect for that. But his rotations have much room for improvement. I think people like Katlyna, Jade, Rath etc put in a lot more effort in refining their rotations, so their rotations are usually more effective and CP-efficient.
    Yes, my thoughts exactly. You were just more elegant with your words
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    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

  7. #17
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    Sorry to necro this thread a bit, but I have developed my own 1 star macro, which I find extremely effective despite my hatred for Hasty Touches:

    Caimie HW 1 star part1 - 457CP
    /ac "Maker's Mark" <wait.4>
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Flawless Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
    /echo HW 1 star part 1 ends... *MEOW :3

    Caimie HW 1 star part2 - 457CP
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Waste Not II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
    /echo HW 1 star part 2 ends... *MEOW :3

    Caimie HW 1 star part3 - 457CP
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Master's Mend II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
    /ac "Innovation" <wait.3>
    /ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.4>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.4>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"

    *Take away Innovation to save 18CP if necessary.

    Progress Breakdown Analysis:

    At 763 craftsmanship, one can afford 2 failed Flawless Syn. (failed more than 2 FS? Just substitute one of the Hasties with a CS II! Easy!)
    At 783 craftsmanship, one can afford 3 failed Flawless Syn.
    At 811 craftsmanship, one can afford 4 failed Flawless Syn.

    Total number of Hasty Touches = 12
    Plus the use of Innov + Ingen2 to boost quality
    So, despite the use of Hasty, it's very secure with quality. You can easily afford 4 failed Hasty and still do fine.

    The macro is somewhat similar to what Katlyna proposed, but it made use of 3 Comfort Zones instead of 2. It needs slightly more successful FS than Kat's, and require more craftsmanship and slightly more CP. But this made use of more Hasties, and added Innovation apart from just Ingen2 at the end.

    I have tested it on many 1 star CUL food, and it worked great. I don't know about other classes if they have the available cross class slots though.
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    Last edited by Caimie_Tsukino; 10-05-2015 at 04:31 PM.

    “The best crafter is not the one with the best stats, but the one who makes the best use of one’s stats” – By Caimie Tsukino

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    Saw a rotation on reddit which utilize the name of element + band of element skills for 70 Durability 1star.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...g_macro_by_me/

    My editorial version:

    Requirments
    CP466 , craftsmanship 662 (if the value in http://ffxiv-beta.lokyst.net/index.html#/simulator is correct)

    /ac "Muscle Memory" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Waste Not II" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /echo Macro #1 complete, move to marco#2

    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Master's Mend II" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Name of Water" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Brand of Water" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Brand of Water" <me> <wait.3>
    /echo Macro #2 complete, now hit your CS2 <se.1>

    manually hit your Careful Synthesis II to finish the craft, or replace the echo in marco 2 with cs2.

    Compare with Caimie's Maker's Mark macro
    This rotation is much quicker, also has 12 HT attempts but missing the Innovation before BB will give you a weaker quality boost. Craftsmanship requirement is lower and the all the progress moves are guaranteed

    The biggest hinder is the high CP cost
    1cp short to use cheap food HQ Bouillabaisse to perform it even with max CP melding (422+43 =465)
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    Last edited by AishaNymph; 01-08-2016 at 05:21 PM.

  9. #19
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    I just came up with another rotation open with maker's mark instead and this one will give you 13HT attempts
    CP cost 466, recommend craftsmanship is 702
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  10. #20
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    Out of curiosity why do flawless synth over muscle memory? From the recipes above it doesn't appear to be as much of a gain.
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