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    LaylaTsarra's Avatar
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    Y'sira Kurai
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    How about they fix it so Flares use no MP? There you go.
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    Zodiar Shizato
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    How about they fix it so Flares use no MP? There you go.
    Wish granted, but it has a recast time of 600 seconds
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zodiar View Post
    Wish granted, but it has a recast time of 600 seconds
    Party Pooper!
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    Azelas Loire
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    Thanks for the people who actually knew what I was talking about. I never knew it was considered an exploit, I always thought it worked as intended. Oh well, tomato-tomato. It was the only reason I leveled BLM, it was a fun trick to do. I still contend it should be great to have back, even if it was considered an exploit. Be nice to have some other options.
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    Katarh Mest
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    Lamia
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    Multi-flares are also much harder to achieve now that we don't have an MP potion that can restore enough to trigger it with the MP levels at 60 cap. A HQ X-Ether won't even do it. Convert will, of course, so the max you're probably going to want to pull off at full Astral strength is going to be two.

    That said, with Blizzard IV and trying to maintain Enochian, the need to do back to back Flares is significantly reduced since the rotation has to be compacted into that 30 second interval anyway.
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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malevicton View Post
    They're probably not gonna unfix an exploit.

    Edit: For people who don't know, in the past you could cast flare right as ui ticked and keep the mp, which let people do the "infinite flare rotation" which after the opener was flare>transpose>flare>flare>repeat
    Flare - Transpose - B2 - B2 - Flare - Flare - Transpose - repeat.

    You needed the UI3 for the faster cast time. I guess you could technically do it with UI1, but the timing would be much harder. Missing the timing was crippling, too, leaving you with UI3 powered Flare that did low damage and no mana to do anything for up to 16 seconds before you could finally get a B1 off for some mana.

    Anyway, the way they "fixed" that was to make your AF appear after you spell animation, rather than at the beginning, so you now have a small window of neutral time there. I think the UI3 might also disappear slightly sooner. All they actually needed to do was to make Flare require AF to cast, but the fix they chose made everything a lot more awkward with mana ticks and some timings and stuff. You can't even queue F4 in certain situations because of that.

    E: Was the Blizzardless version better? I can't remember anymore.
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    Last edited by Waliel; 09-21-2015 at 06:55 AM.

    Yoshi-P is doing his best and is patching Endwalker. Please wait warmly until it is ready.

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    Azul Earendil
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    Shiva
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    Forget about the Infinite Flare, that was lame anyways.

    But I really would appreciate when the Mana Tic would come randomly, and not the "most time to waste and let the BLM stand around like a dick"

    I really hate it in A2S where Flare comes at least somewhat handy (despite the nerf) but I tend to stick more to Single Target and let the SMN AoEing more, as often I Transpose after a Flare and wait a felt 6 seconds until I get some Mana to do something, mostly resulting in wearing of Enochian.

    The delays switching AF/UI and enabling F4/B4 somewhat can be accepted, but the Mana Tic is really breaking all the fluid in the AoE - rotation.

    Hope this gets better on lower latency, atm, I feel quite in disadvantage.
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