Ravana farm groups vs Clear groups

[seekified]

This is definitely true - after I cleared T9 with my static, we had every step of the fight down to muscle memory and we're very confident with how to do it. The first time I PFed it to get a clear for a couple of friends though, this phenomenon became in-your-face obvious - nobody could agree on a strategy for meteors and golems and suddenly you have people ragequitting left and right. 'Tis a shame that people refuse to put in a tiny bit of effort into planning before you pull and see how it goes.

[Februs]

This problem is usually caused by poisonous noobs looking for a carry. There's always a couple people who think they can sneak in and hide among the rest of the group. The players who are there to take it seriously get easily frustrated because they've been dealing with these poisonous players constantly infecting groups that, by definition, should not have any noobs at all. There's a certain expectation in a Farm group that everyone should know what they're doing like the back of their hands. So, in theory, there should be no wipes or fails. If there are, it's either a funny accident, or there's some poison that needs to be siphoned out.

When setting up a Farm group, it's almost better to have an entry requirement. Each player joining your PF has to prove that they have cleared Rav (or whatever you're running) multiple times or else they can leave. In the case of Rav or Bis, it's an easy thing to confirm. If they can show me a hive weapon and at totem, or at least two totems or more, than I know they have been through the fight enough times to actually know what they're doing and are not just noobs looking for a carry.

Another simple way of checking is to do a spot check. In a Farm group, it is not an unreal expectation that they should be able to clear Rav on the first shot. If they can't, okay, maybe they needed a warm up. No big deal. But, after 2 wipes it's time to kick some people. It's the party leader's responsibility to keep an eye out for the dead weight and cut them lose before they corrupt the attitude of the rest of the group.

[FridgePanic]

From my experience with PF, "clear" actually means "learning", and "farm" actually means "clear".

[chidarake]

rav-ex is a mechanics fight that gets easier with good dps.

if people don't know the mechanics it becomes pretty obvious cus they will have multiple stacks to the easily dodged attacks.

if a farm party cant kill butterflies on first try without swords then you probs have a problem, so and so forth.

as for farm parties not being farm parties, well not much can be done but leave a bad group because you will always meet people sneaking in after their first kill or people who complain about other members because of past experiences with them.

personally I havnt pugged much of the primals or raids in quite some time as I always run it with ppl from a linkshell im a member of or my raid team.

[Brian_]

All I can say is that a lot of farm groups are not farm groups. Just because you've cleared Ravana EX once does not mean you are ready to farm it. Unfortunately, this has always been an issue in any PF content.

Having something on farm means that you are very familiar with the content. In other words, while different strategies exist, you should be fully comfortable with any popular strategy. So solo or duo tank, swift liberation quadrants regardless of how it's done, traditional or cheese double preys, etc. If you can't guarantee a run with no mistakes, don't join a farm group.

Back when I still did Ravana EX, I joined a lot of farm groups. Even now, when I join clear parties just to help, it's very straight forward. This is what the chat looks like.

1,2,3,4 = A,B,C,D
Tanks A, Healers B, DPS 1/2 C, DPS 3/4 D
Tank 1 goes A, Tank 2 goes C

That's it. If you can't guarantee a 100% clear with those three lines, you are not ready to farm.