"Hi, im new"

[NaliaBrown]

I guess I should point out that I am not new to the game. I have been maining Dragoon since 2.0 launch. But I am new to tanking and am unfamiliar with how to tank instances. When I sat that I am new, what I actually say in dungeons is "I am new to tanking this" or "this is my first time tanking this but I have done it as DPS."

Part of the problem is that with the leveling dungeons, I only know the bosses from a DPS perspective. And some dungeons I actively avoided, so I don't know them very well at all. The Heavensward dungeons are still mostly unfamiliar to me because WAR is only the 2nd class that I've leveled past 50. I barely remember those dungeons from when I did them on DRG.

And I have an anxiety disorder, which doesn't help anything. Sometimes I panic when things get crazy and I start pushing all the wrong buttons.

Lately I've been sticking to Fates because I can handle those, but they're boring. I need dungeon practice.

[Archaell]

Lately I've been sticking to Fates because I can handle those, but they're boring. I need dungeon practice.

When playing tank or healer I try to avoid fates as much as possible. It might seem easier to skip dungeon or two, but then roulette sends you there and you lack both knowledge and experience to do it. Farming highest possible dungeon/s is great way to gradually get better graps of your job, because the difficulty is increasing at moderate pace. Also before tanking something new/difficult it is good idea to do easier dungeon for you first to warm up a bit.

[Darkobra]

The OP is clearly new to MMOs too. You think this is a recent thing?

[AeraLure]

This is why I have yet to tank or even DPS. I want to, but Duty Finder is brutal to new players. I made it through as a WHM because I have healed in an MMO before and it is my preferred job. I've never tanked anywhere and would like to here, but learning all the little ins and outs of positioning specifics and which targets in each and every dungeon when you don't know those things from that perspective - even if you know fights as a healer - is daunting when you stand in the line of fire for all kinds of blame when trying to sort that out. I've played my DKR to 39 and love it, my GLA to 26 (yes, in fates, because take them into dungeons? seriously?! with topics like these?) but I'm very likely never going to actually use them. >.< A bit sad too because I maybe know them a little better than some, having spent most of my time watching tanks as a healer. It's just not worth the grief I expect to get even trying to change jobs at this point.

[Lan_Mantear]

This is why I have yet to tank or even DPS. I want to, but Duty Finder is brutal to new players. ... I've played my DKR to 39 and love it, my GLA to 26 (yes, in fates, because take them into dungeons? seriously?! with topics like these?) but I'm very likely never going to actually use them. >.< A bit sad too because I maybe know them a little better than some, having spent most of my time watching tanks as a healer. It's just not worth the grief I expect to get even trying to change jobs at this point.

That is sad. Tanking is fun. You shouldn't let a few bad apples deter you from playing the jobs you want to play. I personally believe that these types of topics you see in the forums are the exceptions and not the norm. If anything, you are more likely to meet indifference from PUGs. Its just that the PUGs that annoy you are often the most memorable.

I feel that a healing job is *WAY* more complicated and stressful than Tank or DPS jobs. Specially if you are dealing with players that don't even bother to use their cool downs or dodge aoe. If you can deal with that, and you probably have, then any tank or dps job should come easy to you.

[kazeandi]

What's wrong with peoples' English these days?
"I'm new" means "I'm new".

Personally I don't give a fk if you want to farm the dungeon or ran it like 2000 times for whatever item.
I won't let you make your problems mine. Deal with them yourselves.

That being said, I do watch video guides and look at guides, but making an experience yourself is a different thing altogether.

Stop being so WOWish, people. Unless people make the same stupid mistake over and over again, what's the problem? We're all overgeared for dungeons anyways, I can heal a DRG tanking, or a NIN. Heck, I can tank myself in most cases and I'm the healer.

[Bebekurenai]

What's wrong with peoples' English these days?
"I'm new" means "I'm new".

Personally I don't give a fk if you want to farm the dungeon or ran it like 2000 times for whatever item.
I won't let you make your problems mine. Deal with them yourselves.

That being said, I do watch video guides and look at guides, but making an experience yourself is a different thing altogether.

Stop being so WOWish, people. Unless people make the same stupid mistake over and over again, what's the problem? We're all overgeared for dungeons anyways, I can heal a DRG tanking, or a NIN. Heck, I can tank myself in most cases and I'm the healer.

I totally agree, but I think what our fellow players are saying is that most of the times, when there is someone new to an instance or duty, they seem to be new at the job too. And I have experienced this quiet a lot myself too, besides the fresh DRK that never tanked before and doesn't understand defensive or damage mitigating cooldowns. Sometimes players who are new to the dungeon look like they suddenly lack knowledge about their job too, which they were supposed to have somehow "mastered" in 50 levels. And I'm referring to the Ironworks/coil dressed players. Those you would suppose they know how to tank/dps/heal. Of course I don't expect a level 20 player in Sastasha to fully play to his potential, but I would if there was a zodiac. Many times I've had a new player in a dungeon with full second coil gear who either suffered from amnesia, bought his character and/or let his 10 year old kid play for him. One thing is not knowing an instance, another is not knowing your job's basics.

[Archaell]

What's wrong with peoples' English these days?
"I'm new" means "I'm new".

Unfortunately there are people out there who cast "I am new" as often as protect and so the phrase gets "out of jail card" meaning too.

I wonder how do you deal with speed runs? Every second dungeon I do for the first time ppl aggro the whole room, which is kinda pain to heal without being as you said overgeared, and my only choice is to heal through their "problems" which then become mine problems as well.

[kazeandi]

People who run around in Coil gear can't be new to anything really, except maybe to the dungeon at hand, if they're just leveling up their first class.

[Larou]

Or maybe "I am new" means:

I have watched videos on the dungeon fights, but haven't actually run through the dungeon yet.
I might pull slightly slower then i want to or will eventually be able to; because
1) i am not fully raid geared yet so i don't over-gear the place
2) i am not sure yet which groups of trash can be grouped up for easy aoeing.
I might be also trying to give raid-geared dps and healers a heads up to pay a little more attention to their primary jobs, or they may both end up tanking (DPS not watching threat and healers spending more time in cleric stance)

That being said, i also state i will pull as quickly as i can, and am always open to suggestions. I don't want to be in there any longer than any of you, i have even more runs to do then you.