i got a question for you dps..

[Hitoseijuro]

Why are you opening with a combo on a boss and not a high enmity opener leading into a combo? Where was Provoke? You know the DPS are gonna unload a massive burst to start. Do the same, then establish your combo after you've weathered the storm and need to focus on steady, long term threat generation.

Provoke is not an enmity generating ability please don't try helping other people with bad advice. Provoke only puts you over the #1 person with hate, no matter what your enmity is at. The only time to use provoke is when "someone" else has argo, not to build emnity with it.

Now if you were implying about where was provoke when they lost argo that would make sense, but due to the fact that you asked about "high enmity opener" and then followed up with where was provoke, and previously you made a horrible statement indicating that dps gear was worse to hold hate in, leads me to believe that you dont have a proper understanding of how enmity works for this game. Also bards dont lose any dps for using quelling strikes.



@ OP , it sounds like this is a problem with the dps having better gear and you being undergeared(having your weapon at the highest ilvl helps tremendously) or a rotation error on your part, It could be a little of all the above. If its the former, well, youre just going to have to deal with it the best possible way, keeping provoke(theres literally no reason to ever use it outside of argo management) ready for those times.

Honestly the attitude from the bard should tell you more than what you need to know, as any main bard will tell you, at the lv 50 cap it was really easy to pull hate off any tank with an opener if you didn't have quelling strikes up. The amount of burst and RNG from crits that you could get was absurd even compared to a blackmage back then. At 60 I have no experience with that as a lot of their kit recieved tuning, but at 50 quelling was generally your opener on bosses there's no reason why you cant still have it in there, you lose absolutely nothing using it pre-pull.

[Shirobi]

Now if you were implying about where was provoke when they lost argo that would make sense, but due to the fact that you asked about "high enmity opener" and then followed up with where was provoke, and previously you made a horrible statement indicating that dps gear was worse to hold hate in, leads me to believe that you dont have a proper understanding of how enmity works for this game. Also bards dont lose any dps for using quelling strikes.

This IS what I was implying. When he lost aggro, why did he not use Provoke?

Also, please try to be less toxic in your replies.

[Hitoseijuro]

This IS what I was implying. When he lost aggro, why did he not use Provoke?

Also, please try to be less toxic in your replies.

There is nothing toxic in my replies, no where did I insult you, call you names, flame you, or troll you. I stated that you dont know how enmity works if someone is asking about having emnity problems and you state "TL;DR Stop trying to tank in DPS gear ".

I called you out on the provoke comment but I had already explained how your wording lead one to believe this along with other evidence. I mean you make it sound like a warrior has a high enmity opener of some sort that isnt spamming over power or spamming non combo'd butchers block for a quick hate spike which isnt an ideal opener for a single target boss. Outside of overpower/tomahawk, your main enmity is tide into your combos.

Warrior ideal opener would involve : overpower/tomahawk --> heavy swing--> maim --> storm's eye --> heavy swing--> skull sunder --> butcher's block(obviously with all your off globals thrown in between each skill, this is just for simplistic sake) if hes being outgeared by a bit, I would advise to swapping butcher's block rotation before storm's eye for : overpower/tomahawk --> heavy swing --> skull sunder--> butcher's block --> heavy swing --> maim --> storm's eye.

When you say "high enmity opener" not a combo, I have no idea what you mean, a full butcher's block combo rotation is better than any thing you can use when it comes to total enmity, its not optimal as a min/max tank rotation but its great for enmity while dealing dmg still.

over power --> over power --> over power ---> over power = 5520

over power --> heavy swing --> skull sunder --> butcher's block = 6877



Dps gear has nothing to do with losing enmity, its quite the opposite.


edit: the problem here just seems to stem from the tank having to move right away within seconds of the pull due to mechanics before even establishing any kind of hate and had problems afterward, but provoke with proper rotation will deal with this situation easily unless ofcourse you are under geared versus the dps.