i got a question for you dps..

[Almalexia]

Tank enmity generation in FFXIV is so generous that it almost feels patronizing. Nothing like ye olde MMOes.

For hate to become a problem, you must be greatly below the average ilvl of your party or using your skills ineffectively (eg. wrong stance, wrong combo, bad positioning for AoE). The multipliers on skills and abilities are too great for you to not have hate otherwise.

And because this is the DPS forum: don't hold back. Ever. Hold your tank accountable. The tools tanks have at their disposal were not created in a vacuum; they consider the enmity generation of other roles. Do your utmost, push your limits and expect the same from your party.

[whiskeybravo]

It does kinda baffle me that Monk doesn't have a threat drop. I don't use EJ that much unless it's really a prob, even still in the worst cases I can get aggro back even after EJ if a tank insists on being in sword/deliverance without any str gear, or relatively lower ilvl. In all honestly my goon has as much HP as a tank wearing str gear so it doesn't concern me too much if I pull aggro. Bring it on, I got defensive CDs too :P

I don't have room to have Quelling Strikes on my cross class list. I have.. Feint..

Got that off of there already. Dragoons don't even use it lol

[Gamer3427]

Got that off of there already. Dragoons don't even use it lol

It's more useful for MCH and BRD than it is DRG, since while the debuff isn't very powerful, it completely ignores the casting animation that GB and WM add to our attacks, allowing us to have an attack we can use repeatedly while moving that is still buffed. Of course, if you had bothered to read my post beyond that, you would have seen me explain as much. That's far more useful than an ability that reduces enemity generation, on one of the two classes that have the lowest DPS enemity generation to begin with.....

[Amiaze]

I've been on both sides of the fence. I've been an undergeared tank trying to keep enmity from endgame DPS that refused to let me get something into position or use Quelling Strikes, and it's incredibly frustrating.

I've also been a MCH that began to pull enmity away from the tank because they were undergeared. It feels good to know that I'm doing my part, but it feels better to stay alive and let the tank do their job. So I hit F2, and Quelling Strikes was activated.

[Makarrov]

As a long time mmo dps and occasional tank this is one thing that bothers me. Over eager dps that jump in and start laying into a boss or mob before the tank even has time to land an attack. Then continues to burn under the assumption that threat isnt their problem, its the tanks.

As a dps i always do my best to manage my own threat via throttling or reduction tools i have. I also wait for a flash/overpower/unleash before i start in on my own aoes. It helps with positioning and lets the tank breath.

As a tank i dont need a lot of time to get going but if i see a fire2 or dragonfire dive land between my tomahawk/shield lob gcd and the next that will be overpower/flash ill likely stop and let thay dps die to the group they just pulled. If they cant wait the extra 2 seconds for a single tank aoe to hit they can tank it themselves.

[SlyRoyale]

Why do you get so upset when I ask you to use your enmity reduction abilities after you pull aggro from me, the tank?

The only explanation that comes to mind is that some people don't take too kindly to getting suggestions and constructive criticism from strangers. There is also the point that tanks are able to establish and hold aggro against DPS without the latter party having to use their enmity reduction abilities in a majority of instances. In my case, I only get defensive if a tank asks me use Quelling Strikes despite having used it in my opener or it is on cooldown. That tells me the tank isn't doing their job properly.

If you find yourself losing aggro to DPS, all you have to do is put more focus on enmity generation. If you are still losing aggro after that and the DPS haven't used their enmity reduction abilities, they should be using them. If aggro is still an issue after that, there's the possibility that it might be a gear issue making things more difficult. It's manageable, but it can still be a challenge.

Don't let those players get to you, OP. Some people are jerks to strangers. It's not nice, but don't let them ruin your day.

[drmambo1999]

I really need to get quelling strikes. XD I like to think I am at least a decent BLM player, but I have no good excuse as to why I haven't picked that up yet. I pull agro quite a bit, and as said above, it can feel really good to know my DPS is pulling away from the tank, but it certainly doesn't help when the party has to pop cool downs to make up for it. ><

I think there should be a balancing act when it comes to this sort of thing. In a perfect world, DPS should be able to go crazy and not have to worry about tank losing hate, but we should also be prepared for when it does happen. I tend to (Gasp!) slow down my DPS when I do pull agro from tanks, especially in lower level dungeons. I might not be putting out as much as I could but the over all process goes faster when people aren't dying.

This all being said, I am making it my goal to nab quelling strikes as soon as I can play next. XD

[Shirobi]

way to assume there.. i'm almost always in full tanking gear and stance.. nice example is this brd who decided to keep unloading into ultros at the start of the fight and since he dropped an aoe on me early i didn't have enuf time to properly establish threat.. i call him out on this and his response boiled down to "lol u lost aggro to a bard?" when i didn't even get a chance to use a full enmity combo yet

Why are you opening with a combo on a boss and not a high enmity opener leading into a combo? Where was Provoke? You know the DPS are gonna unload a massive burst to start. Do the same, then establish your combo after you've weathered the storm and need to focus on steady, long term threat generation.

[Pyroclastic]

Didnt read all the comments, but I got a few questions to OP: Which tank class? What lvl? And do you open with your dps combo (that you would use for solo content) or do you start with your enmity combo?

Cause frankly, there shouldn't be any possible way for any dps to take aggro from you if you play correctly. MAYBE pre 60, when you're ridiculously undergeared, but I cannot see any other way.

[whiskeybravo]

It's more useful for MCH and BRD than it is DRG, since while the debuff isn't very powerful, it completely ignores the casting animation that GB and WM add to our attacks, allowing us to have an attack we can use repeatedly while moving that is still buffed. Of course, if you had bothered to read my post beyond that, you would have seen me explain as much. That's far more useful than an ability that reduces enemity generation, on one of the two classes that have the lowest DPS enemity generation to begin with.....

I don't MCH so I didn't realize Feint is something that's actually recommended. At least some class is getting a use out of it xD