Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Kallera]

The option would be exactly that, an option. It would be used to help form farm parties, which new players shouldn't even be going near.

I'm not asking them to take away anything. Players can still use party finder, they don't have to resort to /shout. All this is doing is stopping people from joining parties they are not supposed to be joining.

Farm parties aren't even gauranteed to clear with experienced players. Should we disable pf for people that wipe a certain number of times too?

How about put their name in red every time for the rest of the day for leaving a duty?

I get it, jp onry, have mutiple clears or you are replaced after 2 strikes. Treat the pf and others like machinery, but you do it.

[Ashkendor]

Farm parties aren't even gauranteed to clear with experienced players. Should we disable pf for people that wipe a certain number of times too?

How about put their name in red every time for the rest of the day for leaving a duty?

I get it, jp onry, have mutiple clears or you are replaced after 2 strikes. Treat the pf and others like machinery, but you do it, don't demand every party do it.

Nobody's demanding anything. I think you missed the part where it's intended to be an option.

[Kallera]

Nobody's demanding anything. I think you missed the part where it's intended to be an option.

Oh yes, an "option", that every farm party will be expected to have.

[StrejdaTom]

Farm parties aren't even gauranteed to clear with experienced players. Should we disable pf for people that wipe a certain number of times too?

How about put their name in red every time for the rest of the day for leaving a duty?

I get it, jp onry, have mutiple clears or you are replaced after 2 strikes. Treat the pf and others like machinery, but you do it.

Why are you talking about disabling PF lol?
There would be "Ravana Extreme Farm Party" with "People who cleared this duty" option checked, anyone who cleared Ravana Extreme would be able to join, anyone who haven't would have the party gray, so they won't be able to join it.

You are completely exaggerating.

No one is entitled to get carried by people who put their effort to clear some duty to be able to farm it unless they want to help.

EDIT:
People who get into farm parties without clear and without saying anything to party leader in advance are getting kicked and blacklisted anyways, the only difference between what we have now and what we would have with special option is, that party leaders wouldn't have to bother with them and waste their time.

[karateorangutang]

Farm parties aren't even gauranteed to clear with experienced players. Should we disable pf for people that wipe a certain number of times too?

How about put their name in red every time for the rest of the day for leaving a duty?

I get it, jp onry, have mutiple clears or you are replaced after 2 strikes. Treat the pf and others like machinery, but you do it, don't demand every party do it.

What's the harm in blocking those that haven't completed the quest though. Honestly, it's remarkably easy to setup a clear party if that is your aim. Isn't forcing people to help just as bad as people not wanting to help. People who are doing something for a specific reason shouldn't have to shoulder extra problems because somebody doesn't want to take the time to set up their own clear party. It has nothing absolutely nothing to do with elitism. Time for everyone is important. Just because people need a clear does not mean that the time of those that have cleared is any less valuable.

I agree that no party is a guaranteed clear, but a farm party is going to clear 9/10 times, especially after doing it a few times. Clear parties might spend the hour just to get one, where a farm party is bound get get 3-6 in that same time. That's a far greater chance of getting a drop.

Additionally, almost anyone is willing to take 1 or 2 new people if they are aware that they are new. It's the guys who come in and don't say anything that are very frustrating to deal with.

This option would not make ALL parties farm parties. Far from it, it would make a more clear vision of what a party is looking for. PF would not be harmed by making it more defined.

[WinterLuna]

Farm parties aren't even gauranteed to clear with experienced players. Should we disable pf for people that wipe a certain number of times too?

How about put their name in red every time for the rest of the day for leaving a duty?

I get it, jp onry, have mutiple clears or you are replaced after 2 strikes. Treat the pf and others like machinery, but you do it.

Of course they're not guaranteed to clear. The best, most hardcore players on the game aren't guaranteed to clear.

The fact is that players shouldn't be using parties specifically stated for one thing, and using them for another. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.

[Senstara]

I don't really like anything that excludes other's without having firm rule enforcements in play.

So if this would be a thing it would need to be an Option as stated by the OP. But if the option is selected 'EVERYONE' in the party must have already cleared the instance. This information is easily available to the server.

What do I mean by everyone? I mean everyone in the party at the time that the Leader sets the group up must of already completed the instance for this 'Farm Exclusive' option to be available. This would prevent people setting up a 'Farm' group but inviting their mate along for the ride or W/e just because of the "I'm the leader" excuse.

This would prevent double standards from those who want it to exclude new players but boost their mate. And keep things open for new players via making any situation where a new player is involved will automatically become an 'Open to all' party within the ilvl limits.

P.S - I've never used the Party Finder system as thankfully I have a rather active Free Company and Friend List and benefit heavily from being a Tank Main. So my post is purely based on what my idea of a reasonably 'fair' system would be from an outsider.

[Kallera]

Why are you talking about disabling PF lol?
There would be "Ravana Extreme Farm Party" with "People who cleared this duty" option checked, anyone who cleared Ravana Extreme would be able to join, anyone who haven't would have the party gray, so they won't be able to join it.

You are completely exaggerating.

I just really don't like trusting some of these changes in this thread and others as it sounds like closing ranks around content to the exclusion of others, there is nothing social, there is only performance.

It honestly doesn't seem--right.

[karateorangutang]

I just really don't like trusting some of these changes as it sounds like closing ranks around content to the exclusion of others, there is nothing social, there is only performance.

It honestly doesn't seem right.

This happens already though. Additionally it happens with great drama because people will straight up lie and say they've cleared it until you get into the fight and get that magical bonus tome message. If anything it would reduce the drama involved in farm parties. Again, it's not like it couldn't be disabled if someone asked and everyone in the farm was cool with it.

I know i've cleared in farm parties, but I've always asked ahead of time. I've been turned down before, but it's usually the other way around. Especially if I mention that I've done my research on the fight.

[WinterLuna]

I just really don't like trusting some of these changes as it sounds like closing ranks around content to the exclusion of others, there is nothing social, there is only performance.

It honestly doesn't seem right.

Sigh.. It's the exclusion of others when they SHOULD be excluded. Why is it wrong that some players want to farm something without having to carry a new player and watching them leave afterwards, or them not having a clue what to do? Players are allowed to have their own game time without being forced to help every single person they come across.

The whole 'social' aspect vanished as soon as people started ignoring players party finder rules and disrespecting players by wasting their time or using their groups for a clear. You're completely misunderstanding the point of this thread.

Besides, you know this happens anyway right? People disband groups as soon as they see the bonus message. All this is doing it removing the inconvenience.