Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Azazua_azura]

@ WinterLuna
I fully agree, and was only citing the reason so people are seeing that both sides do have a story. And to not be so quick to point the finger on who is being selfish. (i hate seeing people being rude, there is no reason for it)(ps not saying you are rude). Again something I forgot to add, is the player is an ALT they know the fight and beat it on their main character.

@ Everyone else

I think brill_ and thunder_cat_smash need to take a step back and take a deep breath. I'm not judging either of you, but please stop playing a victem just because you have bad luck with party forming. If it is taking that long, ask the members of free company or any linkshell you belong to and ask when people are free to help. Disagreeing with an idea using the victem card, and making statements that people don't help is rude and is just a weak arguement against a more improved Party finder system.

A player has a right to start a party with whatever rules they like. The point of PARTY FINDER is to make groups of like-minded players to do and beat content. It is not meant as a free pass to join any party you wish and change the rules of that party.

I do agree that it woulds be nice if more players would help out and join learning parties to get more people past content to farm, but you can't force it, nor should you. Joining a farm party as a first timer can be considered rude, as your forcing a group to help you. That is alot of the reason people use the "selfish" card. Talk to the leaders first and tell them what is going on, they might be willing to help you, if not again don't force it. You could ask if they know anyone that can help you.

People tend to forget a big part of MMORPG is communication and networking. Joining a free company, and a linkshell or two is a big first step in that. Thing is though, don't always ask for help, help others as well. Doing so will help your cases out in getting people to join your parties.

What the OP is asking is for a party leader to have more tools to build parties better, which i fully agree we need. The party finder system is pretty bare, and SE could make it more customizable with more tools and features to help players start and join the groups they are looking for. We also should get the tab content faster. Every content that gets added should be put in the drop down tab, as refer to coment just makes it hard to find stuff. I say this because content is filtered by the drop down table, not any comment really.

[OPneedNerfs]

Funny thing is, if this was implemented, learning and clear parties would fill up more because people can't sneak into farm parties for clears anymore.

[NekoGenesis]

I think some jimmies were definitely rustled in the making and suggesting of this thread.

I can't believe a person on this thread has the gall to call this idea selfish. I have absolutely no words. It's selfish to want to set up a PF and not to bend over backwards to cater to people who are new when other people's time may be limited? Dear lord, what a joke, and a terrible one at that.

Also if your server has problems with population, the answer is not to sneak into farm parties to try and get a clear. In fact, this may even backfire on you, as the population is so small that basically everyone knows everyone else, being on someone's blacklist for being dishonest is probably the worst possible thing you can do to yourself.

[Snugglebutt]

I do not think SE should implement such a feature since such a feature would reinforce the arrogance and elitist attitudes of some of the user base which is already a problem. People who join and 'sneak' their way into the group can already be kicked if turns out they lied and more importantly are too incompetent to actually do the job of which ironically many of those with such clears are also too incompetent to clear things quite often. Would be nice if people learned to start judging other players by their ability through their actions in the instance instead of making assumptions about a players ability based on nothing more than whether the bonus message pops up, especially when most people have alts and on those alts they have often cleared such places.

Personally I think the JP servers have it the right way around, it is our servers which have it ass backwards. However the fact is we already have in place a method for managing such incompetence and inability to clear through vote kicking and this applies not only to so called 'sneaky' people but also the ignorant assumption that someone with a clear equals they can actually do it in that run or will have enough focus to do it, will not have bought a clear and have no clue about how to do it and many other false assumptions like having a clear = competent when in reality that is not often the case or when having bonus show up on one character ignoring the fact the player might have cleared it many times on another character.

Essentially we do not need further ways to punish new players or players on alt characters when we already have in place a way to handle those who fall short for whatever reason. If someone is doing a bad job in the group just kick them, regardless of whether they come with a bonus message for that 'character' and are shown through their actions to be incapable at that stage to clear it during the run or whether they have already have a clear but are clearly clueless or incompetent during the run.

[Azazua_azura]

@ snugglebutt
Setting up a party how a player wants is not selfish or elitist.

and i'm on tonberry a jp server. JP players do learning and farm parties just like we do. Why do people spout this misconception that jp use pf to clear and df to farm. I see pfs for both in English, japanese and other asian dialects.

I think you need to take a step back and really see whats being ask rather then go ape on misconceptions and fasle assumptions.A PLAYER should never be forced into a sitation they don't want. What is hard from asking a party leader to join befor joining, how is setting up a party you wish with the rules you want aggrogent and elitist?

The suggestion the OP has nor the ones i have stated do not punish any player. I think you just read the title and posted.

The Party Finder is not, nor should be used as Duty Finder, it is not meant for random players to join random parties for content as they see fit. It's for Party leaders and Party seekers to start/join Like minded groups for content. A player should not be forced to help someone with a clear if they set up a group to farm. You are free to ask if they don't mind helping you out, but if they say no don't force it.

What you are saying is to punish party leaders from making groups how they like. Not everyone likes to kick players out, so more tool helps with that. Also vote kicking is once every 4 hours, and there is a slippery slope with that as the ability to report vote dismiss abuse. People may not want to waste their vote dismiss on a player who should never have been there from the get go as it went against the rules of the party.


Addition due to daily-limit

Everyone is selfish when it comes to mmo. Stop acting like you're mother Theresa.

Stop trying to defame Winterluna and the ff14 community, not everyone in the mmo community is selfish. My Fc leader is a epic example. Her name is Astrate, she is the least selfish person i met other then my boyfriend. 90% of the time she is helping the fc with stuf from crafting gear, gc trade ins , crafting leve trade ins, goes out of her way to help players with content and never asks for anything in return, just simply pay it forward. My boyfriend also goes out of the way to help people out.

So again stop trying to defame WinterLuna and the ff14 community over your own personal bad experience. At this point you're just harassing people for no reason out side of attention. There is nothing wrong with what WinterLuna or myself suggested, infact it actually helps new player to promote working together instead of forcing people to help them. I fully understand and mentioned that there two sides of the story, but forcing players to help you is BEYOND rude.

Also, with all due respect, don't use SAINT mother theresa name in vain, show some respect for the dead.

[OPneedNerfs]

@snugglebutt

The funny thing is, with the implementation of this idea, the chances of getting a noob without the first time bonus message also becomes closer to 0.

The birth of those people is exactly why something like this NEEDS to be implemented.

[WinterLuna]

@Thunda_Cat_SMASH, fair enough if that's on your server, but please don't make out nobody ever helps anyone because it's far from the truth. I'm not going to keep on arguing/posting back when your point still stands along the lines of 'I don't get help so I need farm parties to get my clear.'

@Snugglebutt, if someone has an elitist attitude, they're going to disband the party regardless if someone joins a farm with a bonus. Adding this setting will only eliminate the inconvenience, it has no affect otherwise. Nobody is being 'punished,' when they shouldn't even be joining a farm party that has specific rules and they're breaking them.

[Gaston]

It's not about elitist at all. I do sometimes join learning/clear party to help and teach 'em how mechanic works.
For that i personally don't mind beat that raid or fail.
Normaly peeps in that party thanked to helper and said "learned a lot. Thank you for your help."and disband party.

But somehow for my alt job need to farm that in rush to.
And joined "FARM"party then at begin of battle pops up first timer reward.
We said "Lets give it a shot" and that first timer didn't knoe mechanics at all. He died tons of times that occured healers mp runs out.

It doesn't happen once or twice
Happening every day and most of times on "farming party".
So I'm strongly support OP's suggestion so we can prevent disbanding after few silly failed for "FARMING PARTY"

[Moonleg]

Brill, I'm not sure you understand what selfish actually means, unless you're expanding it to "I do this to help others, because helping others makes me feel good and I want to feel good for my own sake".

[Naliee]

Someone's really salty.