Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Felmyst]

This is the Forums. I'm very sorry if not every thread is praising Square Enix.

By no mean, I praise Squeenix. I've had my shares of problems with them. But that does not mean everyone needs to agree. (Especially during PlayOnline days, to those who remember that.)

Forums are also that. Do not think everyone to always agree with what you bring up, therefore, having to deal with disagreement as well. I will keep stating that I do not agree with this idea. I understand your issue of players sneaking in parties sucks, it is true nobody does enjoy it and it's harsh for the end game community.

The problem is such tool would be abused, and this is what I am against. It is not good for any side because yes your would create a barrier if implanted. Thordan EX is the best example as of right now. PF was filled with people asking experience within the week of it's release. The way I see this again is people just want easy clear and not dealing with players who have no has a physical simulation of the actual fight in the game.

The day I will see more PF about fight learning I might vouch for that, but for now I will still be against it. Think bad names of me if you desire but I voiced my opinion on the matter. So with the amount of folk who come here and say "oh but I love helping people" I call that BS. Because it is omit-present in the actual PF.

It's a legit suggestion/request but if it happens there need to two side to it. Because the item level is already one big step that most party in the finder are already stupidly high. When you demand candy you need to let go some of it.

I am done posting here, not here to fight anyone. Good day everyone.

[Paladinleeds]

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I'd just like to say thanks for your contributions. And yes, the lack of practice groups can be an issue. Though I do question, would this option encourage more practice groups to help those that haven't got the clear?

But in terms of practice groups, I'd feel awkward making a practice group if I'd already cleared the content. But I wasn't afraid to join a practice group for a piece of content I'd already beaten. I just... don't know how to phrase the PF... I don't wanna be creating a practice group when I've already beaten the content and people thinking I'm just doing it to satiate my e-peen.

[WinterLuna]

@Felmyst

So don't come here telling me to stop complaining? I don't think everyone has to agree with me. But just because you don't like my thread, doesn't mean I have to stop complaining. It's not all about you.

Your points have been counteracted by many people and all you did was call them rude after being rude yourself on my thread. You disagree, that's fine, but don't jump to conclusions because someone has proven your argument invalid. You've given your opinion so if you disagree with the thread you don't have to keep posting here.

Oh, I do help people. I've posted screenshots here to prove it. Call it BS though, because you purposely refuse to believe something in hope to reinforce your argument.

[Noxifer]

It is not good for any side because yes your would create a barrier if implanted. Thordan EX is the best example as of right now. PF was filled with people asking experience within the week of it's release. The way I see this again is people just want easy clear and not dealing with players who have no has a physical simulation of the actual fight in the game.

...I don't quite understand what you mean. If you mean that people who haven't cleared it yet are asking for people with experience/clears, thus 'cheating' themselves to an easy clear... that wouldn't be possible with this option. You would only be able to set the option "must have cleared content" if you yourself have cleared the content.

Yes, for farm parties, the majority of them would have the "must have cleared content" checkbox ticked. But this would also mean that practice/clear parties for said content would get filled quicker, because people couldn't just sneak into a farm party.

And like several people in here have confirmed, people who have cleared it do join clear and/or practice parties. Maybe not everyone who has cleared it, but then that's the case with most things.

[WinterLuna]

Though I do question, would this option encourage more practice groups to help those that haven't got the clear?

The amount of people who currently attempt to leech a clear from farm groups is insane. If people literally couldn't join those farm groups, specifically for experienced players, what would they do? They'd have to join, or create, a learning or clear party.

This option wold actually benefit new players a lot. Imagine how many more learning and clear parties would be up since people couldn't join farms for their clear?

If course experienced players can still join and help. I've been /telled a lot by players just asking for a hand with a primal and I've happily joined. This option benefits all players.

[Naliee]

The problem is such tool would be abused, and this is what I am against. It is not good for any side because yes your would create a barrier if implanted. Thordan EX is the best example as of right now. PF was filled with people asking experience within the week of it's release. The way I see this again is people just want easy clear and not dealing with players who have no has a physical simulation of the actual fight in the game.

Totally jumping to different subject here but stuff is being abused already. Just look at the vote kick/abandon. Trolls will troll you in duties for whatever reason until you've carried them or get bored and give them the easy way out with vote kick.

And back to topic, this is excatly reason why this is being requested. I am personally DONE with carrying newbs who sneak into farm parties, get easy way out getting stuff done.

It's a legit suggestion/request but if it happens there need to two side to it. Because the item level is already one big step that most party in the finder are already stupidly high. When you demand candy you need to let go some of it.

There is also two sides with vote kick option. You either let troll win and kick+report OR you put up with trolling and carry them through(+report).

Just sayin'

[MaeIsMean]

This option wold actually benefit new players a lot. Imagine how many more learning and clear parties would be up since people couldn't join farms for their clear?

If course experienced players can still join and help. I've been /telled a lot by players just asking for a hand with a primal and I've happily joined. This option benefits all players.

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn, when all the people that already know are jumping into the farm groups, because they're faster/easier/more likely to result in a win? When things are said like "I am personally DONE with carrying newbs" (Nailee) it makes me want to crawl in a hole and forget grouping outside of DF because, God forbid, I hurt someone's feelings for not being an expert.

[Stupiduglytaru]

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn, when all the people that already know are jumping into the farm groups, because they're faster/easier/more likely to result in a win? When things are said like "I am personally DONE with carrying newbs" (Nailee) it makes me want to crawl in a hole and forget grouping outside of DF because, God forbid, I hurt someone's feelings for not being an expert.

I'm sorry you feel this way, the anger people have isn't towards newbies in general.

Carrying newbs is just into relation to the new people that randomly join farm groups, these groups should only consist of experienced players that are capable of beating this content multiple times with hardly any wipes.

With mechanics that make use of all players, having someone knew that doesn't know what to do can result in wipe after wipe. A pf leader could spend an hour recruiting "farmers" which upon entering they find bonus reward, in most cases it will cause a few members to rage and effectively disband a whole group.

No one expects you to be a complete expert when your new, that's what learning parties are for.

[Azazua_azura]

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn<snip rest>

I think your misunderstanding what is going on. I'm pretty new myself, but I'm not new to mmo to sneak my way into groups I'm not welcome to. All this option does is give players toolto encforce their party rules. As of right now pf is weak, players can set rules and not able to enforce it they are at the whims of random players. Not one person has lumped hate on any new players. You also may want to urbendictory search the term "carrying", and read the FULL sentence. Thing is though this option doesn't stop you from making your own party.

Point blank we need a more refined Party finder system with filters and options for all players to male the parties they want/need.

[Archaell]

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I wouldn't call it as much optimism as "I want the feature to be implemented". Overselling in such case is kinda expected.

Of course the player base is selfish and in my opinion most of the players aren't going to welcome others who performe worse (have less clears) than them in their groups. "I am at this level, so this level is minimum I expect in my group" mentality is real.

Alongside this feature there should also be rewards for doing duties with first timers - real rewards. Something like four times more loot etc. so that new players are always seeked to be part of groups.