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    Ashkendor's Avatar
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Malevicton View Post
    It has more to do with party comp than bads, especially in the older stuff. That matters a lot more when stuff gets launched.

    "I cleared T1-5(even T3), T6, T7, and got T8 to 2% in DF."

    By then you and your group outgeared it and the strats had become standard. Day 1 progression is a whole different game.
    Hahaha, right? Imagine T7 in DF day one. Group didn't have a ranged to kite? GG Renauds. Enjoy your ready-made failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Felmyst View Post
    No, this is a matter of separating people. It does not mean if anyone did a kill they will be better. Some people are excellent at doing their homework and watching videos and study, or even have better dodge reflexes then anyone who done it.
    I love when people do their homework and watch videos before queueing up for content, but watching a video and studying up on the fight is completely different from actually being in it. Videos don't give you the same sense of timing as actually going through the mechanics, especially since party comp is highly variable. Party DPS is also a factor - having higher or lower DPS than the people in the video can cause phases to be pushed oddly or be stretched out longer. Videos are meant to be guides, but the only thing that can tell you how to optimize your play within an encounter is being in the encounter itself. Someone that hasn't been past a certain point in the encounter (or even been in the encounter at all) is lacking information that's vital to the success of the group. It's not just a matter of knowing what to do. It's a matter of reacting quickly when the time comes.

    So please understand other's point of view as well before being judge mental.
    Nobody here is being judgemental, and I really wish people would stop implying otherwise. Many of the people posting in favor of this option often help newer/less experienced people learn and clear content. My raid static spent six weeks leading up to Heavensward running several hours of learning parties every Saturday night. We love helping people, but we also have times when we want to simply go beat the ever-living hell out of something with people that already know the fight inside and out.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 11-18-2015 at 08:37 PM.

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    Asny Rak'nys
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    Bard Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    We love helping people, but we also have times when we want to simply go beat the ever-living hell out of something with people that already know the fight inside and out.
    This, sooo much this. I don't mind helping. If bored I'll join kill parties and such(or even randomly DF exs/coils). But there are times I am not in the mood at wiping for hours on the simplest mechanics because someone is new to the fight. But yes I never had a problem allowing "new" people to join farm parties and such - and so far for the most part it wasn't bad. They understood the fight to the point where it wasn't them doing the mistakes. But sometimes it would be nice to be re-assured that upon entering you won't get that "new player message".
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