Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Azazua_azura]

Totally agree with this, OPTIONS are great. Not having to deal with "ninja" newbies lying through their keyboard and messing up your run is godsend. There are other party for them if they want to learn. You should be able to create exclusive party for people that play at your level. If you are not good enough, then go make a training party and get good, yes? Otherwise don't bother wasting other people time. If you are not hardcore, there is nothing wrong with that, plenty of things to do in this game. But Hardcore players should be able to completely block those who are not at the same level as them, who end up wasting the entire group time and effort. This is not a charity game...

I very much agree with what you say, BUT mind tweeking it to not sound like a jerk? kinda does more harm then good for the cause.

[Azazua_azura]

Ya know, I'm thinking now that if people are caught lying through their keyboard about their progress SE should respond by permanently banning their account w/o appeal. Might help stem the tide. Brutal yes, but it would help contain a lot of this crap and maybe help them create a more JP-like community.

-_-;; and it people like you who make people Like Winterluna look bad.

Doing more harm then good here.

[Paladinleeds]

-_-;; and it people like you who make people Like Winterluna look bad.

Doing more harm then good here.

Here's the thing, I'm not sure there's any other solution but that. I'm fortunately one of the honest ones that won't join a clear group unless I have full XP (but are yet to kill it), and won't join a farm group unless I have kill XP (possibly even multikill XP). But the fact is the majority of players don't do that and lie until they're blue in the face. This same sort of stuff happens on League of Legends (as well as all the raging after 1 mistake, etc) and look how toxic the community is on that game. That's why I GENUINELY believe that permabanning w/o appeal would help stem the tide as then people will learn to get a better attitude. Would I get banned if they did that? Most likely, I have certain things that set me off. But if I did get banned in the name of improving the community so be it. I'll live and learn.

[Luvbunny]

I very much agree with what you say, BUT mind tweeking it to not sound like a jerk? kinda does more harm then good for the cause.

Sorry for the brash words, but this game has TONS of options for everyone with different play levels. And you don't have to do ALL of them to experience the game. OPTIONS are good. Not everyone play the same way. And no need to make it one big happy "we are the world" kumbaya thing, sometimes a harsh medicine is needed to give them a wake up call. They can enjoy their casuals way of playing, and no need to mingle with the hardcore - or they can get better and step it up and get good if they want to play at that level.

No one force anyone to do it this way or that way, but if you are going to play with a group, at least they can learn what is the proper etiquette. Or they can go back do FATE, gathering and crafting and hanging out at the gold saucer. I mean gears don't really do much for those type activities, and welfare gears always being handed out every patches. Diadem is great for these casual corners, they can still get gears 150-180 without trying much, cap their esoteric for the week. And not being stressed out with "do you know your rotation??? do you understand how to maximize your DPS??? did you see the youtube video and prepare beforehand??"

[Azazua_azura]

@ luv bunny

And being a bratty adult does more harm then good, just saying. You can support the OP with out being a jerk about it, and there is WORLD of a difference between tough love and bullying. And your the latter.

I fully support the OP, and i agree to what your saying, your just going about uit the wrong way and turning the thread into something it shouldn't be which is player labling and discrimination.

[KarstenS]

My point of view: If there would be an option to block people without a kill out of farm parties, there would be more learning parties as they can't join parties with that option any longer.

Also the creator of the recruitement should not be able to set this option as long he has not finished the conten he is recruiting for.

[Azazua_azura]

@ zeonx

I seriously doubt you read anything that myself, Winterluna, or anyone else. Can we please stop reading the title and posting? Party finder isn't/was not designed to be all inclusive that anyone can join any groups regardless of the Leaders rules or requirements. All the option does is enforce said rules leaders set. Party fider is bare bones compared to what you can do in Duty finder.

Leaders lack tools to really build parties the way they wish. Party finder is meant for like minded plauers to form groups to tackle content, duty finder is for if you don't wish form a group, or lack the time to do so.

If people quit over an option for better party organization that is on them, no one is asking for the entire party finder system to be locked out to fresh players, it is about locking first timers out of indivdual parties they were not welcome in to begin with.

Nothing is preventing anyone from forming a group in this game, just the world of warcraft mindset of "pugs are bad" and "i ant got time to communicate, it wastes time i got a real life"

And who is to say they couldn't add more options to the party finder, such as first timers only? anyone who has cleared isn't welcome as it is strictly for learning?

Like I keep saying, the NA community is pretty much hewll bent on using Party finder for all inclusive, but want duty finder to be exclusive.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

@ zeonx

What the hell are you talking about? No one here is saying we want to get rid of new players. Those for this change are merely asking for an option to play content and farm it with those that have already cleared it. This is not too much to ask. If new players need help, they can put up their own PF for either a learning or a clear. Veterans are more than happy to join those. And help people progress. They just shouldn't be forced to.

[Zeonx]

If you do not agree with OP suggestion, they attack you tell you that you don't read or debate or get out of the thread for opinions, which is drama I don't need.

sure new players might beat them few times get lucky and end up joining the fight still even with rules set its not gonna change a damn thing they still die and it aint changing a damn thing cause they aren't first timers anymore are they and you still will lose.

the rules option for first timers would make absolutely no sense because if they actually joined and still lost or win they would no longer be a first timer.

Then players still struggle and join even with the option turned on.

Your set of rules are flawed and my final edit.

Don't like me pointing that out do you?

[Azazua_azura]

I did and I am talking about a Option or did you not read where I said once people start using that option to exclude the very same people who asked for it and they cannot win a single fight because they are with all the new players they locked out from the start what then?

Plus this thread causes drama, it should be abolished.

If you think nobody is commenting right then its a dead topic because the title is sending the wrong message.

We arealy have establish, as did winterluna, that the tit;le of the thread sucks. We also did try to report it, to have it changed no go.

New players have the ability to form parties, Party finder groups are suppose to be exclusive, the leader sets up their rules and players need to follow them or they break player agreements.


I don't care if I'm excluded from parties i never was welcomed in I'm a big girl, I can start my own party. I'm adult enough not to join in parties I'm not welcomed in.


@ zeonx your recent post

You're not making any sense, this thread has never been about player labling and discrimination, this is just to add options to party finder so players can build better parties. If i make a farm party, I may not looking to have first timers join up. I love to help other players, but sometimes I may just want to get a peice of gear for glamour, or gear up another job. Players can make all the rules they wish in party forming, but lack tools to enforce it.


I personally dislike how the party finder system works, I'm not fond of players randonly joining and not talking. I would perfer having it much like Free company joining where you ask for an invite, but it is what it is.


I do not really understand the NA community, you guys what all inclusive party finder groups, but what exclusionary Duty finder groups. Isn't that a bit backwards?