Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Azazua_azura]

Wingsofnth what the heck are you talking about, You do know this is PARTY FINDER not DUTY FINDER, the point is TO FIND LIKE MINDED PLAYERS TO DO LIKE MINDED CONTENT.

INFACT read the games active help section on party finder, states that it is used to form parties to do all content. Pre formed groups are not "playing with randoms" Like duty finder.

[WingsOfNth]

Wingsofnth what the heck are you talking about, You do know this is PARTY FINDER not DUTY FINDER, the point is TO FIND LIKE MINDED PLAYERS TO DO LIKE MINDED CONTENT.

INFACT read the games active help section on party finder, states that it is used to form parties to do all content. Pre formed groups are not "playing with randoms" Like duty finder.

So I can assume from this quote that no one you play with in the PF is a random? he PF and the DF are vurtually the exact same thing. Only with the PF being cross server and the PF being locked to server only with the ability to be picky. It's still random. If you're playing with a full group of friends then you don't use the PF or DF -_- You just jump into the content

[Noxifer]

PF and the DF are vurtually the exact same thing. Only with the PF being cross server and the PF being locked to server only with the ability to be picky. It's still random.

It's not entirely the same, no.

DF: You enter the instance, get grouped up with random people who might have completely different levels of experience and expectations, and once you're done -- if you down the thing -- you're highly unlikely to meet the same people if you go back in. Any tactics you agree on, and voicechat options, have to be discussed during the time limit of the duty.

PF: You're able to state the intent with the party so like-minded people can join you. You can discuss tactics and plans beforehand. You can select specific loot rules depending on what kind of farm it is and what type of gear people are after. You can discuss voicechat options before going in, to make call-outs easier. And most importantly, you can go into the duty with the same people several times.

Yes, the first time will be the trickiest, when people get used to the other players' way of doing things, but every time after that will be easier and easier -- and a farm party usually has the "Multiple runs for the loot" checkbox ticked in, meaning multiple runs are intended.

Likewise, a practice party are able to specify which phase they intend to practice, and ideally they get other party members who are at the same stage. And a clear party will ideally be joined by other players who're aaaaaalmost there.

[WingsOfNth]

DF: You enter the instance, get grouped up with random people who might have completely different levels of experience and expectations, and once you're done -- if you down the thing -- you're highly unlikely to meet the same people if you go back in.

PF: You're able to state the intent with the party so like-minded people can join you. You can discuss tactics and plans beforehand. You can select specific loot rules depending on what kind of farm it is and what type of gear people are after. And most importantly, you can go into the duty with the same people several times.

Everything you said about PF can be done in the DF with the exception to finding the same people 100% of the time (Lootrules are a moot point cause they only really matter in statics. People just don't trust randoms in PF with lootmaster). The fact still remains that NA servers are not noob friendly. The new players who have friends learn with the pros and the only just coming to the game or just hitting level cap are stuck in the gutters of there servers looking at the PF because people treat the DF like shit. This problem can be changed with a change of attitude. A problem that the Japanese servers have already fixed with there way of thinking.

[Azazua_azura]

Everything you said about PF can be done in the DF with the exception to finding the same people 100% of the time (Lootrules are a moot point cause they only really matter in statics. People just don't trust randoms in PF with lootmaster). The fact still remains that NA servers are not noob friendly. The new players who have friends learn with the pros and the only just coming to the game or just hitting level cap are stuck in the gutters of there servers looking at the PF because people treat the DF like shit. This problem can be changed with a change of attitude. A problem that the Japanese servers have already fixed with there way of thinking.

I play ona jp server... nothing you said is true.

also read the active help for party finder might learn something. DF is suppose to be ALL INCLUSIVE. PF is EXCLUSIVE TO LIKE MINDED PLAYERS. anyone can join df. not everying can/should join pf groups if the leader states they are not welcome.

[WingsOfNth]

not everying can/should join pf groups if the leader states they are not welcome.

Not once did I say they should. I simply gave the reasons why they would and ways to fix the problem(Those being previous posts). Please read my posts before typing. Most of them are not long and the ones that are normally have a TLDR; as the header.

I play ona jp server...

I also play on a Japanese Serve with an alt. Obviously when I made a statement like that it's assumed that people understand I'm talking about a majority or large portion. I'm not claiming everyone does it. No community is perfect.

[Azazua_azura]

Not once did I say they should. I simply gave the reasons why they would and ways to fix the problem(Those being previous posts). Please read my posts before typing. Most of them are not long and the ones that are normally have a TLDR; as the header.



I also play on a Japanese Serve with an alt. Obviously when I made a statement like that it's assumed that people understand I'm talking about a majority or large portion. I'm not claiming everyone does it. No community is perfect.

I read them And i can tell you are EXTREMELY new to the mmo genre.
Also a bit of info, putting TLRD at the START of your posts makes it read that the posts/thread what too long and didn't read. Also summaries happen at the end. :P

[Noxifer]

(Lootrules are a moot point cause they only really matter in statics. People just don't trust randoms in PF with lootmaster).

Maybe not; I know I wouldn't trust many people with it. But there's also the "Greed only" loot rule, in case someone going as healer or tank is really after the caster boots, and you want to prevent any casters in the party to just Need on them and prevent the person (who switched role to accomodate the party) from having a chance at them. Something that is extra annoying in DF, since people are a lot more anonymous and thus more likely to Need on something if they can.

And no, everything can't be done in DF -- you'll notice I specified discussing things prior to going in? That's one of the bigger issues. Most duties have a time limit of 60-90 minutes. Not only are people very uninterested in talking things through in DF, or even communicating beyond "hello", "****ing noobs", "screw you, I quit" and "gg bb", but any such discussion would take a chunk out of the time you have to kill whichever baddie you're going after.

No, in general the MMO community isn't noob friendly (and from what I've heard, JP servers tend to be not very non-JP friendly). But PF is there to find like-minded people. It has been said that if you join a PF listing, you're entering an agreement to follow the rules set up in said PF listing, and breaking those rules after that (by, for example, not having cleared the instance in particular) is grounds for reporting you for distruption of gameplay. Not to mention you're highly likely to get blacklisted by at least a couple of the other people in that party. Is that really worth the attempt to sneak in?

[Azazua_azura]

So I can assume from this quote that no one you play with in the PF is a random? he PF and the DF are vurtually the exact same thing. Only with the PF being cross server and the PF being locked to server only with the ability to be picky. It's still random. If you're playing with a full group of friends then you don't use the PF or DF -_- You just jump into the content

"random" person you meet and never talk to again as depicted by WoW.

WingsofNth, you either just read the title. Or a person who joins farm parties for a clear. Party finder is bare bones options are a good thing. I'm not only for this option, but hope more refinement comes to the PF system cuz as of right now players are realistically unable to really build the groups they want. By what ur saying groups should be forced to help every newbie looking for a clear. Thats unrealistic.