Block first timers from Party Finder!

[WinterLuna]

I've read every post in this extremely long thread. If I have misunderstandings, it's more likely that people haven't been perfectly clear, or because I doubt they're being completely honest.

...Also, that other post isn't really related. That one is more me complaining about the people that paid for their clears without bothering to learn the fight.

The thing is, your responses show that you think it's a selfish or elitist request and we don't want new players in our party, when this isn't the case at all.

If someone hasn't cleared, but they /tell me, be honest, and explain how much of the fight they know, I'd glady bring them along. This isn't 'you're a noob and I don't want you in my party' like you're making out. They could wipe us multiple times, I've been there, done that, posted screenshots to prove it, and still didn't kick them.

The problem I have is not against new players, but dishonest players, or players who think it's okay to join a farm, get their clear, and leave. Hence this being an option. I'm very patient with new players. I explain fights, I join learning parties, I help others. Please get out of your mind that this is trying to discriminate new players. It's discriminating dishonest players.

You can argue with me all you like about how this request is selfish or elitist but the fact of the matter is that the people who lie, waste people's time and ruin others gaming experience are the selfish ones.

Also, your argument about people still paying for clears doesn't matter, you know yourself that this option would massively reduce this still. It would be stupid to think this would be 100% effective but it certainly saves a lot of people's time.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I've seen options for "New Comers Welcome", Multiple Runs for loot", " Serious play with high level gear" ect, but to the extent of my knowledge these don't do anything.

I think they should though. That way there's actually a functional way to orginize players.

(I also wish things like Bismark Ex and Ravana Ex would have PF tabs even if they aren't in the Solo DF)

[BreathlessTao]

OPTION!!!, what a joke. the moment this is implemented i'll open up PF and about 99% of the parties will have this ticked

It's not like 99% of the parties in PF don't have "farm" and/or "know the fight" and/or "no noobs pls" in their description now...I mean, those that are really forming for duties and are not advertisements or FATE groups. Idk about other servers, but I rarely see a "clear" party up there, and "practice" even less. Really don't feel like such an option would make any difference whatsoever, except maybe for actually saving some headache for those who do want to farm something and not get caught up in teaching and practicing.

[Naliee]

This issue is easily fixed with simple communication. No need for additional features really. I find many people are terrible communicators in groups. Excellent at complaining when something goes bad but terrible at initial leadership. Verify everyone has cleared before going in. If people lie then they lie, and you kick them out. Its easy to tell when someone is a first timer...

This is why people are requesting for this option to PF. Simple communication doesn't ALWAYS work. Linking weapons/gear is one way but there can always be that "one guy" who doesn't have that. Linking achiviement is trouble.

This is a bad idea.

If you want to make a farm party. Use that Friends list thing. When you use the Party finder and people do really go. ADD them and next time your on and wanting to.. send tells and say hey I'm doing AS3 today your want to join. ... you know from say Turn 9 they are a good player. So ya now you do AS3 with them.


As for locking people out who haven't cleared .. Nope.. Don't want that to happen. It will just make it harder for people to get clears.

Friends list? What friends list? I don't have that many friends on my list and I don't like adding random people to it(If you are on my friends list, you mean something to me). Besides there is problems if we have to just rely on that, not all my friends can be online at the same time as I am or have the time when I do.

So basically, you're telling me I have to use my friends list to form a party? This in itself proves there's a problem with party finder. Just because someone farms with me once doesn't mean they want to farm whenever I do.

Make it harder for people to get clears? Yes, if you're going to rudely join a farm party you shouldn't even be joining. If you want to clear then make your own clear party. Stop relying on other people.

^ THIS SO MUCH. Or if you have the gils then I can carry you. j/k

I believe the point of this thread is that the OP wants filthy casuals who don't have clears out of her farming party

And I'm gonna reply to this same way I did before.

I'm not sorry for the fact that when I join farm party and actually want to FARM.

[Eidolon]

Alright, since people still don't seem to understand this, here is what the OP is proposing.

An option, for use within the Party Finder, wherein either one of the currently existing options or a new additional option to be added that enables a player who has the clear to make it so that no one [/b]without the clear[/b] can join.

Thus, this suggestion, is purely for use by players who have already cleared a piece of content to get other players who have already cleared a piece of content.

They are suggesting that it be disabled for players who have not cleared said content and to block those players only from joining the PF group that has the option enabled.

They are not suggesting the dissolution of players who need to learn or clear.

For example:

Player A is a player who is brand new to the content. They decide that they want to create a learning party. They select all the options, but obviously, can not select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, player A creates a Learning party and anyone - clear or not - can join this party to learn.

Player B is a player with moderate experience in the content, but no clear. They decide they want to make a clear party. They select all the options, but obviously, can not select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, Player B creates a Clear party and anyone - clear or not - can join this party to learn.

Player C is a player who has beaten the content one or more times. They decide they want to make a Farm party. They select all the options, but unlike A and B, can select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, Player C now has a farm party that only those who have seen the entire fight and defeated it can join.

Player A sees Player C's party on PF, but can't join his party - because he hasn't even been in the content yet.
Player B sees Player C's party on PF, and sends him a tell saying "Hey, I've been to 1%/enrage, got room?" and Player C can decide if he wants to take him. Otherwise, Player B cannot join.

This is not a difficult concept. This is, plain and simply, an option for those who have cleared the content to be grouped with players who have the clear. It is not an option to dissuade or otherwise block out players from accessing the content - only from accessing the party finder of those looking for fellows who also have the clear.

[Archaell]

Most of the players do understand it. They just feel entitled to clear content without effort and time. They don't care about their contribution, they just want the rewards and achievements - to have easier time getting carried in the next farm party.

If you join a clear party you can expect a lot of work and wipes. In farm parties the players are usually a little bit better as they at least done it before. The naysayers fear they would have to play with similarly skilled and experienced players and then they would lose easy access to content beyond their "casual" sklil, untill they improve. "Why should the experienced players play with experienced players... that is clearly not fair!" /Facepalm

This feature would cause exclusion. There is no doubt about that. But I would see it as a tiny protection of players who are getting exploited for clears atm.

[WinterLuna]

Thanks for posting that Eidolon, I couldn't have explained it better myself. I think it's more of people realising they couldn't get their carry with this implemented though, or simply ignoring the entire thread.

[Voldemort]

I think this would be very beneficial for farm parties who want to keep out those people who try to hide and get their clears.

And to those who think that exclusion is bad, take a look at the "required ilvl" stat needed to join parties anyways.

In the meantime until this gets implemented, once you form the party you must type into the party chat "this is not a clear party, all players must have a clear to be here." If you type this and someone is still in the party without the clear, you have legitimate grounds to report them to the GM, since it was clearly stated to all members.

[WinterLuna]

I think this would be very beneficial for farm parties who want to keep out those people who try to hide and get their clears.

And to those who think that exclusion is bad, take a look at the "required ilvl" stat needed to join parties anyways.

Thank you for the support

[Azazua_azura]

I do, having an option that locks out 90% of the player base to benefit 10% of the player base

1) you just read the title

2) PARTY finder GROUPS are not to be all inclusive, they are for A PLAYER to find LIKE MINDED players to do LIKE MINDED content.

why are you coming off like PF needs to work like DF?

If you sneak your way into a farm party you are breaking an agreement to farm, if your their for a clear which can ve reportable under the player agreement, and disruption of gameplay.

As a clear seeker you are breaking the agreement to farm by not being there to farm You are disrupting the game play of others by leaving after said clear.