Block first timers from Party Finder!

[AeraLure]

This is too discriminatory, especially the part about blacklisting people who make mistakes. People need to learn the fight somehow, and they aren't often run in DF or PF. Add an option that allows people who know the fight to completely avoid ever playing with new players and that's how it will end up being used. That's not that good for the game at all.

[LunnaRavenheart]

This is too discriminatory, especially the part about blacklisting people who make mistakes. People need to learn the fight somehow, and they aren't often run in DF or PF. Add an option that allows people who know the fight to completely avoid ever playing with new players and that's how it will end up being used. That's not that good for the game at all.

There is no place for mistakes in my farm parties, some people like me farming all possible items from primals or coil when lock is eased, so its like 50 or more items which have to be looted by individual, there is no time for mistakes. If you still do mistakes you should go to train parties or kill parties and learn to not do mistakes.
New players wants usually only to be carried. Also in other hand if some new player whisp me that he dont have kill but he is good tank/dps/heal/whatever and he will not do any mistake and he was just unlucky with clear I dont have problem to take him.

[karateorangutang]

This is too discriminatory, especially the part about blacklisting people who make mistakes. People need to learn the fight somehow, and they aren't often run in DF or PF. Add an option that allows people who know the fight to completely avoid ever playing with new players and that's how it will end up being used. That's not that good for the game at all.

Firstly, who people want to blacklist is non-consequential to the discussion as this is a 100% personal option on your own interface.

To the second point:
- The argument from the beginning has been that this would be a PF option only and has completely nothing to do with DF runs at all. As such anyone could still run in DF.
- How is it discriminatory? Allowing a group that wants to do multiple fast clears for loot to have a clear party structure with no surprises really hurts noone.
- If someone who hasn't cleared the fight and doesn't know the mechanics joins a PF that is a farm and is clearly not meant for them then they are the ones that are abusing 7 other people. It is very, very easy to setup a PF clear/learning party.

The problem isn't that people aren't willing to help. It's that in farm parties there is a common theme of first timers joining and deceiving the group to ride out a free clear. This is not fair to the players that are there for the farm.

[Colorful]

This is too discriminatory, especially the part about blacklisting people who make mistakes. People need to learn the fight somehow, and they aren't often run in DF or PF. Add an option that allows people who know the fight to completely avoid ever playing with new players and that's how it will end up being used. That's not that good for the game at all.

It's not about blacklisting people who make mistakes, it's about blacklisting nuggets who don't have a clear yet join party even though it's a farm party. Those kinda people deserve to be blacklisted as they're not only liars, but selfish and want to waste people's time. If someone PMs me and asks to politely to join and that they know the fight but don't have a clear, they can join no problem. But jump in without asking me and expect to be carried? Bugger off.

[WinterLuna]

This is too discriminatory, especially the part about blacklisting people who make mistakes. People need to learn the fight somehow, and they aren't often run in DF or PF. Add an option that allows people who know the fight to completely avoid ever playing with new players and that's how it will end up being used. That's not that good for the game at all.

I only joined a clear party earlier purely to help. Gave me no benefit whatsoever. It's not discriminating anyone but the lazies. Don't make out experienced players never help the new people because they do, a lot. But there's a time and a place, and farms aren't one of them.

[Ashkendor]

This is too discriminatory, especially the part about blacklisting people who make mistakes. People need to learn the fight somehow, and they aren't often run in DF or PF. Add an option that allows people who know the fight to completely avoid ever playing with new players and that's how it will end up being used. That's not that good for the game at all.

This is such a weak argument though, and I'm tired of seeing people fall back on this as an excuse. People that want to learn content can easily make their own parties for it if they don't see one in PF. Pretty much any content in the game, if you put up a PF for learning people will join either to learn or to help out. As far as blacklisting, I don't blacklist people that make mistakes unless they refuse to learn from them. I do blacklist liars that sneak into farms to waste seven peoples' time.

[Sapphic]

This is such a weak argument though, and I'm tired of seeing people fall back on this as an excuse.

Problem is, many that do this do not want to learn, they don't have the patience, they selfishly join with the intent of letting everyone else kill it for them.

How do people even make the link that it would ever be implemented in DF? Not only does it go against one of the main reasons DF roulette are there, but no other options from PF have made it to DF. Yay for fearmongering.

Digging for any excuse, no matter how outlandish, to try and counter the idea. Aka, they have no real response.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if those objecting to this idea are the ones who do exactly what this idea would stop. Otherwise there is no reason to be against it.