Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Dererk]

I don't have a problem with this even though I don't use PF often. I do have one question though, how about someone running on an alt that will still give the new player bonus? With this in place they couldn't join the group even though they have done it.


Generally when I get in an instance on my alt I let them know I'm the new player but tell them not to worry it's an alt.

Hmmmm I'm kinda on the fence about alts joining farm party's when said alt hasn't cleared here's why.

1. Its an alt it will most likely not be as strong as their main.
2. Their main and alt may have play diffrent roles jobs. Sure they may both be dps but a BLM plays much differently than say a BLM.
3. Even if a person say their an alt but they cleared it on their main. How do you know if it's true from what I understand there's no way to even see if people are telling the truth like this.


I will agree that something like this may be needed but what OP is suggesting may be too extreme for SE to even consider.

Here's my story of what happened. Me and a friend wer trying to help our other friend get their clear in T12 in 2.5. What ever can't remember when lock out was removed. Any way I made a clear pt in PF we got in wiped a lot our friend decided that they weren't going to waste any more of our time so I dissbanded the party because me and my friend wer going to farm T12 since we had our clears. We filled fast once we got in bonus message came up (I will let it be said that I think the visible bonus message is one of the stupidest things ever.) Once we saw that message me and my freind wer like nope not happening when our freind still needed their clear wer not putting up with people who join a farm with out telling before hand that they haven't cleared. Majority of the party left because one person was inconsiderate. And guess what.

It was a person from our earlier clear party....... Thing is we found this insulting when we were trying to help our freind and some others to clear it only for this to happen.

[Dagda]

I would be one of those new players no doubt, and I would agree as well, can't say from experience in FFXIV but I know what a pain in the ass this is from playing wow.

Is there cross realm capability in this game? I haven't really watched for what realm people are from in Duty Finder or anything else. This seemed to help a lot in wow, in terms of pre-mades that is. even if you are from a low pop realm you still can get pre-mades put together rather quickly.

[KleeneOnigiri]

An additional feature to that, that people that are new can request to join would be helpful on low population servers. Then the party leader can either accept the request and the newbie can join the party or decline (and maybe PM with each other first too).
Because on low population servers, it sometimes takes hours to get enough people, also depending on the time of the day/week.

[Dagda]

Exactly the possibilities with cross realm capabilities are endless.

[Preypacer]

I get what the OP is asking for... And I can see the point in that; the ability to filter out people who haven't actually cleared the content.

However, may I just suggest that, if such a thing were implemented, that the person who forms said PF setup be required to have completed the content themself? I've seen a number of times now where people complain about others in their groups being "bads", for having not cleared content, which they haven't even cleared, themselves... but want only experienced people in their groups to guarantee them the clear.

Generally speaking, it's kind of sad to see how many threads pop up in this game's forums where people asking for SE to implement ever more ways to separate the player base; to create a more "us and them" division. There's an awful lot of people who forget where they came from, and only see things from their own perspective and what benefits them, personally.

Like, anytime I see someone complaining that someone new has joined the group for any given content, and wanting to kick them straight away, without even giving them a chance. I always think "Amazing how quickly people forget that they were once that new/first-time player joining someone else's group... and how quickly they try to distance themselves from that fact".

Some people will attempt to justify their attitude with comments like, "well after doing this run 100 times, I don't have the patience to deal with carrying noobs who don't know it". Again... failing to see past their own nose, and forgetting where they came from, that they were once that new player and could, very well, have been "carried" themselves on many of their first runs of content, more than they realized at the time.

This relentless intolerance and the whole "me me me, I'm all that's important" mentality is really corroding whatever sense of community even still exists in MMOs anymore... slowly but surely.

I know people will immediately point to the worst possible examples they can think of to justify it... as though every situation is like that... and it's really disingenuous.

[karateorangutang]

I could get behind this, and to be honest I don't ever really farm primals. It does send a clearer message as to the definition of a "farm party" vs. a "clear party".

The only exception I can think of is people that are on alternate characters. I've had "new" people in farm parties that know the content inside out.

[Dagda]

I can agree with some points here, I do pride myself on being one of the few who helps people and doesn't have the elitist attitude of "GO GOOGLE IT NOOB!" However that being said, when you are in a q for hours and finally get into a group only to find that their are new people who drastically increase your chances of wiping it's disheartening. Especially when they have just unlocked the instance and haven't even bothered watching the fight on YouTube or even reading about it.

I still say a cross realm function would allow all these problems to sort themselves out, especially for people on tiny realms with not for population as I am.

[RocheKat]

Plays MMO and doesn't want to interact with new players. Very similar to what I do when I play FPS games... I like walking around sightseeing but then noobs come over and try to shoot me.

[papichulo123]

just turn it into a clear group and help the noob out man

[mp-please]

Plays MMO and doesn't want to interact with new players. Very similar to what I do when I play FPS games... I like walking around sightseeing but then noobs come over and try to shoot me.

Noobs never high five me when i'm playing TF2 ;-;