Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Naliee]

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn, when all the people that already know are jumping into the farm groups, because they're faster/easier/more likely to result in a win? When things are said like "I am personally DONE with carrying newbs" (Nailee) it makes me want to crawl in a hole and forget grouping outside of DF because, God forbid, I hurt someone's feelings for not being an expert.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I stand by my statement. I am done with carrying newbs who join to farm party when I am set to farming the content.

And like it was stated in many posts before, you can actually make PF yourself, make LS for training, ask FC or friends to help you with clearing. Being a sneaky person and joining to farm party just makes me mad for wasting other people's time and I might even start thinking bad of you as a person when you could be the coolest person to be around.

[MaeIsMean]

And like it was stated in many posts before, you can actually make PF yourself, make LS for training, ask FC or friends to help you with clearing.

Yep, all those things could be done, and I'd have an LS full of people who don't know how to do anything or an empty PF. My FC is very helpful, and I know that with time I can get the things done, so this isn't a thing I would personally do. I am in no hurry to jump in with a bunch of people who care more about clearing 5% faster than being patient with someone who may have done it a few times (or on another character) but still isn't great at it.

I'm just trying to say, when you say things like "I might even start thinking bad of you as a person when you could be the coolest person to be around." you drive away future players that might have bothered to learn a fight enough to farm with you, because, frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Yep, all those things could be done, and I'd have an LS full of people who don't know how to do anything or an empty PF. My FC is very helpful, and I know that with time I can get the things done, so this isn't a thing I would personally do. I am in no hurry to jump in with a bunch of people who care more about clearing 5% faster than being patient with someone who may have done it a few times (or on another character) but still isn't great at it.

I'm just trying to say, when you say things like "I might even start thinking bad of you as a person when you could be the coolest person to be around." you drive away future players that might have bothered to learn a fight enough to farm with you, because, frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

I think your getting a little bit confused with the suggest, none of this applies to dungeon runs etc, the content we refer to that you actually need to learn phases. Having a newbie in Alex savage won't make the run longer, it will just flat out wipe the group.

These fights takes hours/days/weeks of training to beat.

[Azazua_azura]

@ mae

New players are doing farm groups a disservice by joing, if you read the thread in full, you'ed see why.

If not I'll sum it up

It is rude for first time go'ers to join a party meant to farm. It isn't about "clearing it 5% faster" it is about beating it and getting the loot doing multiple runs for players to get their items. On all servers the PF system is at the mercy of players who join. And most of my experiemce people lie their way into groups, this is on all servers.

All players want, is more options to build better groups.

[Ashkendor]

Yep, all those things could be done, and I'd have an LS full of people who don't know how to do anything or an empty PF.

You have countless video and text guides as a starting point. I mean, where do you think the guides come from? Players go in when the content is new, run it, figure out the mechanics, and eventually clear it. You don't have to know what's going on the first time you go into any given encounter in order to eventually clear it. Does it help? Sure, absolutely. It cuts out a lot of the trial and error when you aren't trying to figure out how everything works, but instead are trying to execute steps that someone else is walking you through.

My FC is very helpful, and I know that with time I can get the things done, so this isn't a thing I would personally do. I am in no hurry to jump in with a bunch of people who care more about clearing 5% faster than being patient with someone who may have done it a few times (or on another character) but still isn't great at it.

It's not a matter of clearing 5%, 10%, or even 20% faster. It's the difference between actually doing what the party was planning on (farming) and wiping to mechanics over and over because one person doesn't know how to do them. We're not talking about Neverreap or St. Mocianne's here. We're talking about content like Coils (even unsynced there's some things you can't ignore) and the recent EX primals and Alexander Savage where doing mechanics incorrectly spells death for you and quite possibly your entire raid.

I'm just trying to say, when you say things like "I might even start thinking bad of you as a person when you could be the coolest person to be around." you drive away future players that might have bothered to learn a fight enough to farm with you, because, frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

The fact of the matter is, when people lie to get into a party we do tend to think negatively of them as a direct result. Those people end up on my blacklist because I don't care to associate with them. That single act of deception shows blatant disregard for the other seven people in the party and what they're trying to accomplish. Basically, you're shitting all over them in some selfish fit of pique and saying, "I'm entitled to have a first clear because I pay $15/month and you're going to get it for me whether you like it or not."

Yeah, how about no.

[missybee]

This thread is 0% about being a dick to noobs.

It is about people being dicks to other players by joining farm parties and expecting a carry.

Frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

[WinterLuna]

This thread is 0% about being a dick to noobs.

It is about people being dicks to other players by joining farm parties and expecting a carry.

Frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

Exactly this. It's not about not helping new people. It's the dishonest new people.

[MaeIsMean]

This thread is 0% about being a dick to noobs.

It is about people being dicks to other players by joining farm parties and expecting a carry.

Frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

And that's a valid argument, which I haven't disregarded. I'm just saying, don't be so quick to say "I don't want to carry noobs" because things like that only drive away potential additions to the farm pool, because people like me will be less likely to work hard to learn a fight to join people who look down on others.

Edit to add: I'm a skilled healer, and I learn quick. What I lack these days that keeps me from being a competitive raider is time. I don't have a lot of time to waste either, my game time is as precious as yours. Yes, there are douches that cheat the PF groups and ruin it for everyone. Those same people are the ones crapping all over Diadem and ruining it for others too. I just think having an actual game mechanic way to block new people is going to be used as a way to abuse new people, and that doesn't sit well with me.

[Stupiduglytaru]

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This is effectively just smacking our head against a brick wall now

A PF is already stating no newbies, yet those who know absolutely nothing are still able to join and mess up a farm group.

Sure there will be those that can beat this fight even though they have bonus, but these type of people have already practiced and practiced this fight and will actually ask the pf leader if they are allowed to join.

The only way going to understand this, is once you experience it yourself.

If I have spent 40hrs on a fight to master it, the last thing I want is someone with 0minutes of experience coming in and being a dead weight.

[Archaell]

What about instead of clears (which is kinda ineffective) make the option to block players who haven't cleared the fight with let's say 10 new players.

It does the same thing. The players would have to finish the fight at least twice and push it morelikely thanks to their own skill as in groups with new players their contribution would be more important.

This way you could have farm parties with more experienced players and also motivate these players to help newbies to learn fights so that they could unlock the farm party option.