Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Preypacer]

I get what the OP is asking for... And I can see the point in that; the ability to filter out people who haven't actually cleared the content.

However, may I just suggest that, if such a thing were implemented, that the person who forms said PF setup be required to have completed the content themself? I've seen a number of times now where people complain about others in their groups being "bads", for having not cleared content, which they haven't even cleared, themselves... but want only experienced people in their groups to guarantee them the clear.

Generally speaking, it's kind of sad to see how many threads pop up in this game's forums where people asking for SE to implement ever more ways to separate the player base; to create a more "us and them" division. There's an awful lot of people who forget where they came from, and only see things from their own perspective and what benefits them, personally.

Like, anytime I see someone complaining that someone new has joined the group for any given content, and wanting to kick them straight away, without even giving them a chance. I always think "Amazing how quickly people forget that they were once that new/first-time player joining someone else's group... and how quickly they try to distance themselves from that fact".

Some people will attempt to justify their attitude with comments like, "well after doing this run 100 times, I don't have the patience to deal with carrying noobs who don't know it". Again... failing to see past their own nose, and forgetting where they came from, that they were once that new player and could, very well, have been "carried" themselves on many of their first runs of content, more than they realized at the time.

This relentless intolerance and the whole "me me me, I'm all that's important" mentality is really corroding whatever sense of community even still exists in MMOs anymore... slowly but surely.

I know people will immediately point to the worst possible examples they can think of to justify it... as though every situation is like that... and it's really disingenuous.

[Dagda]

I can agree with some points here, I do pride myself on being one of the few who helps people and doesn't have the elitist attitude of "GO GOOGLE IT NOOB!" However that being said, when you are in a q for hours and finally get into a group only to find that their are new people who drastically increase your chances of wiping it's disheartening. Especially when they have just unlocked the instance and haven't even bothered watching the fight on YouTube or even reading about it.

I still say a cross realm function would allow all these problems to sort themselves out, especially for people on tiny realms with not for population as I am.

[Ashkendor]

Like, anytime I see someone complaining that someone new has joined the group for any given content, and wanting to kick them straight away, without even giving them a chance. I always think "Amazing how quickly people forget that they were once that new/first-time player joining someone else's group... and how quickly they try to distance themselves from that fact".

Some people will attempt to justify their attitude with comments like, "well after doing this run 100 times, I don't have the patience to deal with carrying noobs who don't know it". Again... failing to see past their own nose, and forgetting where they came from, that they were once that new player and could, very well, have been "carried" themselves on many of their first runs of content, more than they realized at the time.

So, if you join a party specifically to farm, you don't mind someone joining that has no clue what's going on? I mean, don't get me wrong, I've helped tons of people with clears on content ranging anywhere from Titan EX to T13 (not just people I know either; my static used to run learning party nights every Saturday in the weeks leading up to HW) but there's times when I just want to set it up and knock it down with a minimum of fuss. Why is it such an awful thing that, for a couple of hours, I want to accomplish something to further my own goals? I play this game for my own enjoyment. If I help, I'd like to think that I'm allowed to do so by choice rather than because someone snuck into my party and attempted to strongarm me into it by not speaking up when we ask who's new.

This relentless intolerance and the whole "me me me, I'm all that's important" mentality is really corroding whatever sense of community even still exists in MMOs anymore... slowly but surely.

I'd say that expecting to be let into every single party regardless of your experience is the epitome of the "me me me, I'm all that's important" special snowflake brand of thinking. If you've been to 2% but don't have the clear because pugs suck, then by all means PM the party leader. Many of us understand and are willing to give you a shot to prove yourself. If we clear smoothly we'll go on to farm. If you lied about knowing the fight and you proceed to wipe three times to the first mechanic though, expect to get kicked. Lying like that is basically shooting yourself in the foot. That's seven people on the server that are a lot less likely to help you clear. I for one end up blacklisting people like that. If you can't be honest with me, then I don't want you in my party.

I know people will immediately point to the worst possible examples they can think of to justify it... as though every situation is like that... and it's really disingenuous.

So is making a blanket statement calling people selfish for not necessarily wanting to help/carry 24/7.

[karateorangutang]

I could get behind this, and to be honest I don't ever really farm primals. It does send a clearer message as to the definition of a "farm party" vs. a "clear party".

The only exception I can think of is people that are on alternate characters. I've had "new" people in farm parties that know the content inside out.

[RocheKat]

Plays MMO and doesn't want to interact with new players. Very similar to what I do when I play FPS games... I like walking around sightseeing but then noobs come over and try to shoot me.

[mp-please]

Plays MMO and doesn't want to interact with new players. Very similar to what I do when I play FPS games... I like walking around sightseeing but then noobs come over and try to shoot me.

Noobs never high five me when i'm playing TF2 ;-;

[papichulo123]

just turn it into a clear group and help the noob out man

[WinterLuna]

just turn it into a clear group and help the noob out man

I have done this countless times and in my experience, most of the people who I help leave after getting their clear. As I said, there's a time and a place. I am asking for an option. Not to completely block out new players. If you have the time to explain the fight and don't mind finding people with the same mindset, that's fine, but sometimes people just want to get on with it and farm quickly and easily. I shouldn't be obliged to help every new person that joins my farm party because they're either too rude, lazy or not good enough to form their own.

Also, as I said again, some new people do join, farm and are good at the fight. But this isn't always the case and myself and many others are pretty tired of playing roulette with the party finder.

[Qfox]

I suffer from "training party" "kill party" .. who make me train only phase 1 or 2 in revana's ex. spent planty of time joing that type of grp .. then i talked to "Farm party" i was first timer to them with bonus, but we didnt even get it done because other dps fail while im first timer who always was last man standing .. so they kicked me for no reason just because im first timer.

[Altijacek]

It's a very logical option to have. It won't hurt the community. People can be bad, but we aren't truly that bad. A lot of us, myself including, love to help out. Sometimes we just want a quick clear or a higher chance of winning, so it's understandable to want a group of only people who have cleared. Of course, the option should only be available to those who have cleared, maybe even 3 times minimum.