Block first timers from Party Finder!

[MaeIsMean]

This option wold actually benefit new players a lot. Imagine how many more learning and clear parties would be up since people couldn't join farms for their clear?

If course experienced players can still join and help. I've been /telled a lot by players just asking for a hand with a primal and I've happily joined. This option benefits all players.

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn, when all the people that already know are jumping into the farm groups, because they're faster/easier/more likely to result in a win? When things are said like "I am personally DONE with carrying newbs" (Nailee) it makes me want to crawl in a hole and forget grouping outside of DF because, God forbid, I hurt someone's feelings for not being an expert.

[Noxifer]

It is not good for any side because yes your would create a barrier if implanted. Thordan EX is the best example as of right now. PF was filled with people asking experience within the week of it's release. The way I see this again is people just want easy clear and not dealing with players who have no has a physical simulation of the actual fight in the game.

...I don't quite understand what you mean. If you mean that people who haven't cleared it yet are asking for people with experience/clears, thus 'cheating' themselves to an easy clear... that wouldn't be possible with this option. You would only be able to set the option "must have cleared content" if you yourself have cleared the content.

Yes, for farm parties, the majority of them would have the "must have cleared content" checkbox ticked. But this would also mean that practice/clear parties for said content would get filled quicker, because people couldn't just sneak into a farm party.

And like several people in here have confirmed, people who have cleared it do join clear and/or practice parties. Maybe not everyone who has cleared it, but then that's the case with most things.

[Naliee]

The problem is such tool would be abused, and this is what I am against. It is not good for any side because yes your would create a barrier if implanted. Thordan EX is the best example as of right now. PF was filled with people asking experience within the week of it's release. The way I see this again is people just want easy clear and not dealing with players who have no has a physical simulation of the actual fight in the game.

Totally jumping to different subject here but stuff is being abused already. Just look at the vote kick/abandon. Trolls will troll you in duties for whatever reason until you've carried them or get bored and give them the easy way out with vote kick.

And back to topic, this is excatly reason why this is being requested. I am personally DONE with carrying newbs who sneak into farm parties, get easy way out getting stuff done.

It's a legit suggestion/request but if it happens there need to two side to it. Because the item level is already one big step that most party in the finder are already stupidly high. When you demand candy you need to let go some of it.

There is also two sides with vote kick option. You either let troll win and kick+report OR you put up with trolling and carry them through(+report).

Just sayin'

[WinterLuna]

@Felmyst

So don't come here telling me to stop complaining? I don't think everyone has to agree with me. But just because you don't like my thread, doesn't mean I have to stop complaining. It's not all about you.

Your points have been counteracted by many people and all you did was call them rude after being rude yourself on my thread. You disagree, that's fine, but don't jump to conclusions because someone has proven your argument invalid. You've given your opinion so if you disagree with the thread you don't have to keep posting here.

Oh, I do help people. I've posted screenshots here to prove it. Call it BS though, because you purposely refuse to believe something in hope to reinforce your argument.

[Azazua_azura]

@ mae

New players are doing farm groups a disservice by joing, if you read the thread in full, you'ed see why.

If not I'll sum it up

It is rude for first time go'ers to join a party meant to farm. It isn't about "clearing it 5% faster" it is about beating it and getting the loot doing multiple runs for players to get their items. On all servers the PF system is at the mercy of players who join. And most of my experiemce people lie their way into groups, this is on all servers.

All players want, is more options to build better groups.

[missybee]

This thread is 0% about being a dick to noobs.

It is about people being dicks to other players by joining farm parties and expecting a carry.

Frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

[WinterLuna]

This thread is 0% about being a dick to noobs.

It is about people being dicks to other players by joining farm parties and expecting a carry.

Frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

Exactly this. It's not about not helping new people. It's the dishonest new people.

[MaeIsMean]

This thread is 0% about being a dick to noobs.

It is about people being dicks to other players by joining farm parties and expecting a carry.

Frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

And that's a valid argument, which I haven't disregarded. I'm just saying, don't be so quick to say "I don't want to carry noobs" because things like that only drive away potential additions to the farm pool, because people like me will be less likely to work hard to learn a fight to join people who look down on others.

Edit to add: I'm a skilled healer, and I learn quick. What I lack these days that keeps me from being a competitive raider is time. I don't have a lot of time to waste either, my game time is as precious as yours. Yes, there are douches that cheat the PF groups and ruin it for everyone. Those same people are the ones crapping all over Diadem and ruining it for others too. I just think having an actual game mechanic way to block new people is going to be used as a way to abuse new people, and that doesn't sit well with me.

[Stupiduglytaru]

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This is effectively just smacking our head against a brick wall now

A PF is already stating no newbies, yet those who know absolutely nothing are still able to join and mess up a farm group.

Sure there will be those that can beat this fight even though they have bonus, but these type of people have already practiced and practiced this fight and will actually ask the pf leader if they are allowed to join.

The only way going to understand this, is once you experience it yourself.

If I have spent 40hrs on a fight to master it, the last thing I want is someone with 0minutes of experience coming in and being a dead weight.

[Noxifer]

And that's a valid argument, which I haven't disregarded. I'm just saying, don't be so quick to say "I don't want to carry noobs" because things like that only drive away potential additions to the farm pool, because people like me will be less likely to work hard to learn a fight to join people who look down on others.

I'm really sorry to say this, but... you just contradicted yourself there. Considering the whole "I don't want to carry noobs" was said specifically in relation to the issue with those noobs who are being jerks who lie (either outright by saying "Yeah, I've cleared this", or by omission by just keeping their mouth shut even when the question of "Ok, who gave us the 'new player bonus' message?") in order to join farm parties... if you're ignoring that whole premise, you are disregarding the issue/argument.

The majority of people arguing for this PF option have several times during the thread stated that they like joining practice and/or clear parties. But not when they have planned to do a series of quick runs of, say, Bismarck Ex for the weapon glamours.

As to the whole question of "If all the experienced players lock me out of their runs, how will I learn?"... My response is, "The same way the experienced people learned. By doing the content." Yes, it goes a lot faster if you can have at least one experienced person in there -- especially over voicechat, so they can do callouts and such -- but it's not impossible. And like someone said, the experienced players who first figured out the mechanics and how to deal with them... they wrote the guides to allow other people to learn the fights quicker.