Block first timers from Party Finder!

[KarstenS]

I don't, I think the player base would vanish, I think they would get sick of it and just leave the game.

And this would be bad?

I have no issues with leechers quitting the game because they can't leech anymore.

The opposite is the case. It would be a gain for the overall health of PUGs.

Yes. Some would be still there because they got carried by FC/friends/others or just bought a kill.

But people that still want to do it would put more weight into it and learning parties would get more popular and more sucessfull.

[Azazua_azura]

The opposite is the case. It would be a gain for the overall health of PUGs.
But people that still want to do it would put more weight into it and learning parties would get more popular and more sucessfull.

Which is good, I'm tired of first day only learning groups, due to personal drama I hadto get a new account due to a new PSN ID. I'm having to start over and by the time i get to new content it isn't new anymore and "learning parties" is old news.

I think more options to balance out Farm Parties, Learning parties is a good thing. Party finder is bare bones, and people just join randomly makes it hard to really set up communication, or really form like minded groups.

[Azazua_azura]

@ zeonx

I seriously doubt you read anything that myself, Winterluna, or anyone else. Can we please stop reading the title and posting? Party finder isn't/was not designed to be all inclusive that anyone can join any groups regardless of the Leaders rules or requirements. All the option does is enforce said rules leaders set. Party fider is bare bones compared to what you can do in Duty finder.

Leaders lack tools to really build parties the way they wish. Party finder is meant for like minded plauers to form groups to tackle content, duty finder is for if you don't wish form a group, or lack the time to do so.

If people quit over an option for better party organization that is on them, no one is asking for the entire party finder system to be locked out to fresh players, it is about locking first timers out of indivdual parties they were not welcome in to begin with.

Nothing is preventing anyone from forming a group in this game, just the world of warcraft mindset of "pugs are bad" and "i ant got time to communicate, it wastes time i got a real life"

And who is to say they couldn't add more options to the party finder, such as first timers only? anyone who has cleared isn't welcome as it is strictly for learning?

Like I keep saying, the NA community is pretty much hewll bent on using Party finder for all inclusive, but want duty finder to be exclusive.

[Azazua_azura]

I did and I am talking about a Option or did you not read where I said once people start using that option to exclude the very same people who asked for it and they cannot win a single fight because they are with all the new players they locked out from the start what then?

Plus this thread causes drama, it should be abolished.

If you think nobody is commenting right then its a dead topic because the title is sending the wrong message.

We arealy have establish, as did winterluna, that the tit;le of the thread sucks. We also did try to report it, to have it changed no go.

New players have the ability to form parties, Party finder groups are suppose to be exclusive, the leader sets up their rules and players need to follow them or they break player agreements.


I don't care if I'm excluded from parties i never was welcomed in I'm a big girl, I can start my own party. I'm adult enough not to join in parties I'm not welcomed in.


@ zeonx your recent post

You're not making any sense, this thread has never been about player labling and discrimination, this is just to add options to party finder so players can build better parties. If i make a farm party, I may not looking to have first timers join up. I love to help other players, but sometimes I may just want to get a peice of gear for glamour, or gear up another job. Players can make all the rules they wish in party forming, but lack tools to enforce it.


I personally dislike how the party finder system works, I'm not fond of players randonly joining and not talking. I would perfer having it much like Free company joining where you ask for an invite, but it is what it is.


I do not really understand the NA community, you guys what all inclusive party finder groups, but what exclusionary Duty finder groups. Isn't that a bit backwards?

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

@ zeonx

What the hell are you talking about? No one here is saying we want to get rid of new players. Those for this change are merely asking for an option to play content and farm it with those that have already cleared it. This is not too much to ask. If new players need help, they can put up their own PF for either a learning or a clear. Veterans are more than happy to join those. And help people progress. They just shouldn't be forced to.

[Zeonx]

If you do not agree with OP suggestion, they attack you tell you that you don't read or debate or get out of the thread for opinions, which is drama I don't need.

sure new players might beat them few times get lucky and end up joining the fight still even with rules set its not gonna change a damn thing they still die and it aint changing a damn thing cause they aren't first timers anymore are they and you still will lose.

the rules option for first timers would make absolutely no sense because if they actually joined and still lost or win they would no longer be a first timer.

Then players still struggle and join even with the option turned on.

Your set of rules are flawed and my final edit.

Don't like me pointing that out do you?

[Naliee]

I wonder what would JP players think of this idea.

[karateorangutang]

I wonder what would JP players think of this idea.

Taking into account their culture I kinda doubt this is as big of an issue. Theres an air of politeness and openess about japanese culture when it comes to a game like this. As has been said many time in the thread, if someone is nice enough to ask then alot of the time a farm group will allow one person in as long as they say they will stay to help farm for awhile. I would be willing to bet that there isnt the kind of subterfuge that happens on our side of the equation. It's not helping new people that is frustrating, honestly that can be very fulfilling, it's when someone out right lies to get something they want. That is the frustrating part of it.

This option isnt about segregating the populace. It's about putting in place clear lines of communication. Even if the box was checked, someone could still /tell the leader and ask if it was alright. If I was a leader and the group said that was fine then they would still be able to join the group.

Not saying this doesn't happen on the japanese side, but I'd be willing to bet that it's not nearly as big of an issue.

So in conclusion, I think the Japanese players base would look at this as a sorta "why do we need this" sort of mindset.

sure new players might beat them few times get lucky and end up joining the fight still even with rules set its not gonna change a damn thing they still die and it aint changing a damn thing cause they aren't first timers anymore are they and you still will lose.

This is an interesting little quote, so let's analyze. What your saying here is that even if someone clears a fight then they might not know it. That statement is a truth. I won't even fight you on that.

However, your painting in very broad strokes here. Thats like saying that water can kill you and pointing out that noone should drink it. The first is a solid truth, however you application of it is incorrect. Most people who have a clear at the very least have a basic understanding of the fight. This is much easier to work with than someone walking into it with no experience at all.

You can read the second paragraph of this same post to sort out the rest of your argument.