Block first timers from Party Finder!

[WingsOfNth]

DF: You enter the instance, get grouped up with random people who might have completely different levels of experience and expectations, and once you're done -- if you down the thing -- you're highly unlikely to meet the same people if you go back in.

PF: You're able to state the intent with the party so like-minded people can join you. You can discuss tactics and plans beforehand. You can select specific loot rules depending on what kind of farm it is and what type of gear people are after. And most importantly, you can go into the duty with the same people several times.

Everything you said about PF can be done in the DF with the exception to finding the same people 100% of the time (Lootrules are a moot point cause they only really matter in statics. People just don't trust randoms in PF with lootmaster). The fact still remains that NA servers are not noob friendly. The new players who have friends learn with the pros and the only just coming to the game or just hitting level cap are stuck in the gutters of there servers looking at the PF because people treat the DF like shit. This problem can be changed with a change of attitude. A problem that the Japanese servers have already fixed with there way of thinking.

[Azazua_azura]

Everything you said about PF can be done in the DF with the exception to finding the same people 100% of the time (Lootrules are a moot point cause they only really matter in statics. People just don't trust randoms in PF with lootmaster). The fact still remains that NA servers are not noob friendly. The new players who have friends learn with the pros and the only just coming to the game or just hitting level cap are stuck in the gutters of there servers looking at the PF because people treat the DF like shit. This problem can be changed with a change of attitude. A problem that the Japanese servers have already fixed with there way of thinking.

I play ona jp server... nothing you said is true.

also read the active help for party finder might learn something. DF is suppose to be ALL INCLUSIVE. PF is EXCLUSIVE TO LIKE MINDED PLAYERS. anyone can join df. not everying can/should join pf groups if the leader states they are not welcome.

[Noxifer]

(Lootrules are a moot point cause they only really matter in statics. People just don't trust randoms in PF with lootmaster).

Maybe not; I know I wouldn't trust many people with it. But there's also the "Greed only" loot rule, in case someone going as healer or tank is really after the caster boots, and you want to prevent any casters in the party to just Need on them and prevent the person (who switched role to accomodate the party) from having a chance at them. Something that is extra annoying in DF, since people are a lot more anonymous and thus more likely to Need on something if they can.

And no, everything can't be done in DF -- you'll notice I specified discussing things prior to going in? That's one of the bigger issues. Most duties have a time limit of 60-90 minutes. Not only are people very uninterested in talking things through in DF, or even communicating beyond "hello", "****ing noobs", "screw you, I quit" and "gg bb", but any such discussion would take a chunk out of the time you have to kill whichever baddie you're going after.

No, in general the MMO community isn't noob friendly (and from what I've heard, JP servers tend to be not very non-JP friendly). But PF is there to find like-minded people. It has been said that if you join a PF listing, you're entering an agreement to follow the rules set up in said PF listing, and breaking those rules after that (by, for example, not having cleared the instance in particular) is grounds for reporting you for distruption of gameplay. Not to mention you're highly likely to get blacklisted by at least a couple of the other people in that party. Is that really worth the attempt to sneak in?

[Azazua_azura]

So I can assume from this quote that no one you play with in the PF is a random? he PF and the DF are vurtually the exact same thing. Only with the PF being cross server and the PF being locked to server only with the ability to be picky. It's still random. If you're playing with a full group of friends then you don't use the PF or DF -_- You just jump into the content

"random" person you meet and never talk to again as depicted by WoW.

WingsofNth, you either just read the title. Or a person who joins farm parties for a clear. Party finder is bare bones options are a good thing. I'm not only for this option, but hope more refinement comes to the PF system cuz as of right now players are realistically unable to really build the groups they want. By what ur saying groups should be forced to help every newbie looking for a clear. Thats unrealistic.

[Whiteroom]

If he doesn't even know what farming is...

[WingsOfNth]

If he doesn't even know what farming is...

I know what farming it. I have lots of fun clearing Savage and can't wait to farm it once the cap is released. ^^ If you read past the TLDR part you'de know I knew what farming is and I also go into explaining why some people sneak into farms

[Azazua_azura]

i think wingsoftheNth just read the title

And dude/chick I play on a jp server and had just as much as an issue with making pf runs to learn/clear bizmark ppl bail ate wipes, don't matter what you set it up as. :/

I think more filters in pf is a good thing, PARTY FINDER GROUPS are NOT ment to be all inclusive. They are fir LIKE MINDED players to join in LIKE MINDED content.

A player set up a party with party finder has every right to set up a party with what ever rules or setting they wish. When you join parties you agree to those rules. Going against those rules breaks the "player agreement" clause in the ToS and if can be considered under the "disruption of gameplay" clause as well because if you don't follow with the set rules, like "farm" party causing "wipes" you are disrupting the other players trying to farm

Bothe are found under the harrasment section

[WingsOfNth]

When you join parties you agree to those rules. Going against those rules breaks the "player agreement" clause in the ToS and if can be considered under the "disruption of gameplay" clause as well because if you don't follow with the set rules, like "farm" party causing "wipes" you are disrupting the other players trying to farm

That is jut demonstrably wrong. If you've ever filled out a complaint in game you'd know that a GMod contacts you with in 30 minutes to talk to you directly about the issue. The clause is to stop people like WHM's who just type "lol" in a fight and watch people die because they find it funny. I've talked to GMod about this personally in detail.

[Azazua_azura]

That is jut demonstrably wrong. If you've ever filled out a complaint in game you'd know that a GMod contacts you with in 30 minutes to talk to you directly about the issue. The clause is to stop people like WHM's who just type "lol" in a fight and watch people die because they find it funny. I've talked to GMod about this personally in detail.

gmod?? wtf a gmod (teasing) They are called gm as in game masters, and what i said is true, breaking player agreements and disrupting their farm runs for a clear by ToS is considered harrassment.
And everything you stated about the JP server is wrong. And I do not recall yoshida saying that either the game was built from the ground up for people of various play scheduals. Most ebdgame content itself lasts 30 min.

[Azazua_azura]

@ wingsofNth

i know what you was saying about gmod, I was just teasing as ur literally the only person in 11 years of playing 30 mmo has ever called a GM a Gmod. (and i met alot of ppl)

Party finder groups are not meant to be all inclusive, yet people treat it as such. It not so much about blocking newbies, its the ability to set up a farm party, as a farm party. Meaning if you haven't cleared it, you can't join. It also fosters communication as it will get players to ask leaders to join. It will also increase the likely hood those farm party go'ers befriend each other an run more content in the future.

I played ff11 for 7 years, had 75 characters (rerolls) and having 5 of them hit 50 4 of those hit 75. and 1 hit 95. I was a level 95 dancer on Lakshmi on my final day i logged in ff11 about 2010 when my 360 died.


I still kinda think your talking outa ur rear though as nothing you state makes any sense on how ppl play mmo. And honestly I'm not liking your suggestion to force players to help someone. I spend most of my time in mmo helping players. And i rarely do content for shinies, but on the rare occassion id like a certain item/gear set i much rather farm it midly headache free then constently explaining fights to fresh players who bail after they get their clear.

Which does cause groups to disband.