Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Dualgunner]

OPTION!!!, what a joke. the moment this is implemented i'll open up PF and about 99% of the parties will have this ticked

Then be part of the people who don't have it ticked, be part of the people who want to help the community as a whole get better. There's a reason that learn and clear parties exist, and they exist so more experienced players can help less experienced players learn the game. On Coeurl I am regularly in learning and clear parties, and when I make them they fill up pretty fast; faster than some farm parties, even.

You don't *need* to jump into a farm party or a DF to get content cleared. It's not impossible to win based on your own hard work and learning. People not being able to ninja clears just means they'll need to learn the fight, which contributes to a more skilled playerbase, which contributes to a richer endgame.

[Brill_]

Thinking big picture(not just farm parties) people will check that option for every PF they set up(whether it's a farm party or not). If the option is being used on non-farm party, then this option will effectively block people without a clear from using PF.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Thinking big picture(not just farm parties) people will check that option for every PF they set up(whether it's a farm party or not). If the option is being used on non-farm party, then this option will effectively block people without a clear from using PF.

Well not really, if the leader has not cleared this content the option wouldn't be available in the first place.

In terms of pony farming or pretty much any other level 50 unsynced activities, really doesn't matter who you bring in unsynced people care more about the "numbers" of 60's

[WinterLuna]

Thinking big picture(not just farm parties) people will check that option for every PF they set up(whether it's a farm party or not). If the option is being used on non-farm party, then this option will effectively block people without a clear from using PF.

How is that possible when you need a clear yourself to be able to use the option? You can't just make a clear party with the option ticked if you haven't even cleared it yourself.

[Dualgunner]

Thinking big picture(not just farm parties) people will check that option for every PF they set up(whether it's a farm party or not). If the option is being used on non-farm party, then this option will effectively block people without a clear from using PF.

Why would they click that for a learning party? Or a clear party? I don't know about you but I don't see a lot of learning parties going "KNOW THE WHOLE FIGHT".

[Kaiser-Ace]

I've seen options for "New Comers Welcome", Multiple Runs for loot", " Serious play with high level gear" ect, but to the extent of my knowledge these don't do anything.

I think they should though. That way there's actually a functional way to orginize players.

(I also wish things like Bismark Ex and Ravana Ex would have PF tabs even if they aren't in the Solo DF)

[Eidolon]

Alright, since people still don't seem to understand this, here is what the OP is proposing.

An option, for use within the Party Finder, wherein either one of the currently existing options or a new additional option to be added that enables a player who has the clear to make it so that no one [/b]without the clear[/b] can join.

Thus, this suggestion, is purely for use by players who have already cleared a piece of content to get other players who have already cleared a piece of content.

They are suggesting that it be disabled for players who have not cleared said content and to block those players only from joining the PF group that has the option enabled.

They are not suggesting the dissolution of players who need to learn or clear.

For example:

Player A is a player who is brand new to the content. They decide that they want to create a learning party. They select all the options, but obviously, can not select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, player A creates a Learning party and anyone - clear or not - can join this party to learn.

Player B is a player with moderate experience in the content, but no clear. They decide they want to make a clear party. They select all the options, but obviously, can not select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, Player B creates a Clear party and anyone - clear or not - can join this party to learn.

Player C is a player who has beaten the content one or more times. They decide they want to make a Farm party. They select all the options, but unlike A and B, can select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, Player C now has a farm party that only those who have seen the entire fight and defeated it can join.

Player A sees Player C's party on PF, but can't join his party - because he hasn't even been in the content yet.
Player B sees Player C's party on PF, and sends him a tell saying "Hey, I've been to 1%/enrage, got room?" and Player C can decide if he wants to take him. Otherwise, Player B cannot join.

This is not a difficult concept. This is, plain and simply, an option for those who have cleared the content to be grouped with players who have the clear. It is not an option to dissuade or otherwise block out players from accessing the content - only from accessing the party finder of those looking for fellows who also have the clear.

[Naliee]

Alright, since people still don't seem to understand this, here is what the OP is proposing.

An option, for use within the Party Finder, wherein either one of the currently existing options or a new additional option to be added that enables a player who has the clear to make it so that no one [/b]without the clear[/b] can join.

Thus, this suggestion, is purely for use by players who have already cleared a piece of content to get other players who have already cleared a piece of content.

They are suggesting that it be disabled for players who have not cleared said content and to block those players only from joining the PF group that has the option enabled.

They are not suggesting the dissolution of players who need to learn or clear.

For example:

Player A is a player who is brand new to the content. They decide that they want to create a learning party. They select all the options, but obviously, can not select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, player A creates a Learning party and anyone - clear or not - can join this party to learn.

Player B is a player with moderate experience in the content, but no clear. They decide they want to make a clear party. They select all the options, but obviously, can not select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, Player B creates a Clear party and anyone - clear or not - can join this party to learn.

Player C is a player who has beaten the content one or more times. They decide they want to make a Farm party. They select all the options, but unlike A and B, can select a "Clear Required" option. Thus, Player C now has a farm party that only those who have seen the entire fight and defeated it can join.

Player A sees Player C's party on PF, but can't join his party - because he hasn't even been in the content yet.
Player B sees Player C's party on PF, and sends him a tell saying "Hey, I've been to 1%/enrage, got room?" and Player C can decide if he wants to take him. Otherwise, Player B cannot join.

This is not a difficult concept. This is, plain and simply, an option for those who have cleared the content to be grouped with players who have the clear. It is not an option to dissuade or otherwise block out players from accessing the content - only from accessing the party finder of those looking for fellows who also have the clear.

Maybe add this quote to first post WinterLuna and add PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING.

[Archaell]

Most of the players do understand it. They just feel entitled to clear content without effort and time. They don't care about their contribution, they just want the rewards and achievements - to have easier time getting carried in the next farm party.

If you join a clear party you can expect a lot of work and wipes. In farm parties the players are usually a little bit better as they at least done it before. The naysayers fear they would have to play with similarly skilled and experienced players and then they would lose easy access to content beyond their "casual" sklil, untill they improve. "Why should the experienced players play with experienced players... that is clearly not fair!" /Facepalm

This feature would cause exclusion. There is no doubt about that. But I would see it as a tiny protection of players who are getting exploited for clears atm.

[WinterLuna]

Thanks for posting that Eidolon, I couldn't have explained it better myself. I think it's more of people realising they couldn't get their carry with this implemented though, or simply ignoring the entire thread.