Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Xanikk999]

Sigh... you just read the title didnt you. Didn't even read the thread or the even try to understand the spirit of the thread. If you wanna understand you can go back in read. If you don't wanna understand and you just wanna post obnoxiously then you will be promptly ignored.

Actually I think this post highlights the real reason why this community sometimes sucks. Failure to even attempt to understand and have a civil discussion. Instead it resorts to a rage and flippancy.

Good day

What do you expect? The title of this thread is basically flame-bait. I would have thought it was a troll thread as well unless I read the whole thing and it's unrealistic to expect that from most forum goers.

[Malevicton]

What do you expect? The title of this thread is basically flame-bait. I would have thought it was a troll thread as well unless I read the whole thing and it's unrealistic to expect that from most forum goers.

The third line of the op apologizes for the misleading title in bright red letters. It's not that unrealistic to expect that forum goers read that much of something that they're going to post an opinion about. Or rather, it shouldn't be an unrealistic expectation.

[WinterLuna]

I got a better idea. block obnoxious elitist twerps from the party finder. If you've cleared it 'infinity-1' amount of times.. find your own group.

Shit like this is why this game's community SUCKS.

Have you actually read the thread or completely ignored everything I said other than the title?

'Oh no! Someone actually wants to do something for themselves in the game without it being hindered by incompetent players or people using their parties for their own benefit! How SELFISH! What an 'obnoxious elitist twerp!'

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[Naliee]

I got a better idea. block obnoxious elitist twerps from the party finder. If you've cleared it 'infinity-1' amount of times.. find your own group.

Shit like this is why this game's community SUCKS.

I'm not sorry for the fact that when I join farm party and actually want to FARM.

[WinterLuna]

I'm not sorry for the fact that when I join farm party and actually want to FARM.

This. I don't even know how people can use the arguments that they do.

It says a lot about the community (that people keep preaching about) when people think it's okay for players to disrespect and use someone's party for selfish reasons, but not okay to want to farm successfully.

Smh.

[Ashkendor]

I got a better idea. block obnoxious elitist twerps from the party finder. If you've cleared it 'infinity-1' amount of times.. find your own group.

Shit like this is why this game's community SUCKS.

I'm assuming by 'obnoxious elitist twerps' you actually mean 'people that want to farm in peace without being sabotaged by a tidal wave of bads just looking for a carry' here but are having trouble coming up with the right words. That's okay. We know what you really mean and that's kinda the entire point of the thread. Making it easier for us 'obnoxious elitist twerps' to find our own groups.

If you really believe that us wanting to farm something makes a bad community, you should remove the tinfoil hat. Many of the people you're slapping with derogatory labels are the very same ones that are willing to help new people clear. The thing is, we shouldn't be forced to help when we are of a mind to actually get other things done. When I want to farm, I farm. When I want to help, I help. Simple.

So put 'must have win' in the PF comment. This is pretty effective. But if people ignore it, too bad. That's the risk you take when using the party finder. If you wanted an experienced group you'd grab people you know are reliable and form a party on your own.

Putting 'must have win' in the comment isn't very effective at all. If it was, this thread wouldn't even be a thing. When I put together a farm party, I do hit up my friends and linkshells first, but sometimes people are busy or just not feeling it and you can only get 6/8 or 7/8. That's when we go to PF to pug the last members. You're trying to make arguments for Party Finder here (where you are able to filter for the type of players that you'd like) that are actually better suited for Duty Finder (where you get completely random people). We're using Party Finder for its intended purpose and all we're asking for is for the tools we have (the check boxes) to actually physically enforce what we're looking for by not allowing people that don't meet the criteria to join in the first place, thereby avoiding the hassle.

I really don't understand why people keep trying to argue that this will "kill the community" or "kill party finder" or other various alarmist nonsense. All we're asking for is for the tools we have to actually be supported by the code instead of leaving the sorting out up to us.

[Laraul]

I'm simply asking for a setting on the party finder to allow players who have completed the fight only. When you have tried farming something as much as I have and have endlessly had your PF used for free clears or people joining with no clue, it gets boring quickly.

So put 'must have win' in the PF comment. This is pretty effective. But if people ignore it, too bad. That's the risk you take when using the party finder. If you wanted an experienced group you'd grab people you know are reliable and form a party on your own. Adding such an option to the party finder would also KILL the PARTY FINDER. Because people don't create parties for players with less experience than themselves. They create parties to WIN, which means almost all party listings will be limited it too people who already have a clear.

Perhaps you should just use the DF to farm. I've done that. It works... you get quick queue times if your a tank or healer, which appears to be the role you play. Depends on the battle of course.

[karateorangutang]

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I understand your point.

I just don't quite understand how making a check box that forces the game to make sure that the person has a clear would somehow kill PF. Honestly, I try to avoid PF right now because it is broken in it's current state. It needs fixes and options to make it a resource that is reliable. It's simply not reliable at all because people lie. There needs to be a check and a balance to that. Honestly though if someone wants the win then they can make a learning or clear party... they are on there all the time. They also fill up, usually with people who will help clear it because they are bored. If people are unwilling to make these parties and are instead hijacking an experienced group without their knowledge then isnt that an issue that should be addressed. Why should players be hamstringed just because someone hasn't gotten a clear. It's in their quest log and so it is their responsibility to facilitate a clear.

I guess I'm having trouble seeing where your coming from on this.

Basically. But hey, at least people would have to look for a different scape goat foe why their farm fails forthe ttwentieth time that night.

I'd still be willing to bet it would happen less, but of course it would still happen lol.

[Laraul]

Why should players be hamstringed just because someone hasn't gotten a clear. It's in their quest log and so it is their responsibility to facilitate a clear.

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

How is checking for a clear going to prevent people from joining as a role they not familiar playing as. If I clear something as DPS, that doesn't mean I'll be able to properly function as healer or tank. So the same problem still crops up.

[Naliee]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

So... you blame the leader if (sneaky)newb joins to FARM party when PF comment says "no bonus/newbs" and then you have to waste more time to find rep for that person?