Block first timers from Party Finder!

[karateorangutang]

This is too discriminatory, especially the part about blacklisting people who make mistakes. People need to learn the fight somehow, and they aren't often run in DF or PF. Add an option that allows people who know the fight to completely avoid ever playing with new players and that's how it will end up being used. That's not that good for the game at all.

Firstly, who people want to blacklist is non-consequential to the discussion as this is a 100% personal option on your own interface.

To the second point:
- The argument from the beginning has been that this would be a PF option only and has completely nothing to do with DF runs at all. As such anyone could still run in DF.
- How is it discriminatory? Allowing a group that wants to do multiple fast clears for loot to have a clear party structure with no surprises really hurts noone.
- If someone who hasn't cleared the fight and doesn't know the mechanics joins a PF that is a farm and is clearly not meant for them then they are the ones that are abusing 7 other people. It is very, very easy to setup a PF clear/learning party.

The problem isn't that people aren't willing to help. It's that in farm parties there is a common theme of first timers joining and deceiving the group to ride out a free clear. This is not fair to the players that are there for the farm.

[Colorful]

This is too discriminatory, especially the part about blacklisting people who make mistakes. People need to learn the fight somehow, and they aren't often run in DF or PF. Add an option that allows people who know the fight to completely avoid ever playing with new players and that's how it will end up being used. That's not that good for the game at all.

It's not about blacklisting people who make mistakes, it's about blacklisting nuggets who don't have a clear yet join party even though it's a farm party. Those kinda people deserve to be blacklisted as they're not only liars, but selfish and want to waste people's time. If someone PMs me and asks to politely to join and that they know the fight but don't have a clear, they can join no problem. But jump in without asking me and expect to be carried? Bugger off.

[WinterLuna]

This is too discriminatory, especially the part about blacklisting people who make mistakes. People need to learn the fight somehow, and they aren't often run in DF or PF. Add an option that allows people who know the fight to completely avoid ever playing with new players and that's how it will end up being used. That's not that good for the game at all.

I only joined a clear party earlier purely to help. Gave me no benefit whatsoever. It's not discriminating anyone but the lazies. Don't make out experienced players never help the new people because they do, a lot. But there's a time and a place, and farms aren't one of them.

[Ashkendor]

This is too discriminatory, especially the part about blacklisting people who make mistakes. People need to learn the fight somehow, and they aren't often run in DF or PF. Add an option that allows people who know the fight to completely avoid ever playing with new players and that's how it will end up being used. That's not that good for the game at all.

This is such a weak argument though, and I'm tired of seeing people fall back on this as an excuse. People that want to learn content can easily make their own parties for it if they don't see one in PF. Pretty much any content in the game, if you put up a PF for learning people will join either to learn or to help out. As far as blacklisting, I don't blacklist people that make mistakes unless they refuse to learn from them. I do blacklist liars that sneak into farms to waste seven peoples' time.

[Sapphic]

This is such a weak argument though, and I'm tired of seeing people fall back on this as an excuse.

Problem is, many that do this do not want to learn, they don't have the patience, they selfishly join with the intent of letting everyone else kill it for them.

How do people even make the link that it would ever be implemented in DF? Not only does it go against one of the main reasons DF roulette are there, but no other options from PF have made it to DF. Yay for fearmongering.

Digging for any excuse, no matter how outlandish, to try and counter the idea. Aka, they have no real response.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if those objecting to this idea are the ones who do exactly what this idea would stop. Otherwise there is no reason to be against it.

[WinterLuna]

I'm actually going to just add this here one more time.. Party finder and duty finder are complete separate things! If you're going to ignore the thread then don't post because I'm tired of explaining myself when it's literally the first line of the thread. How would doing this to duty finder even work? Again, read the thread before posting please. Comments are appreciated but not if you're going to blatantly ignore the entire subject.

Thanks.

[Whiteroom]

How do people even make the link that it would ever be implemented in DF? Not only does it go against one of the main reasons DF roulette are there, but no other options from PF have made it to DF. Yay for fearmongering.

Also, I really wish the mods would change the title already, the current one attracts too many people who can't read the first post and are unable to understand the difference between Duty Finder and Party Finder. Same goes for that NO More alex NM thread. At least its a lesson in being careful about thread titles I guess. Maybe you should put the request in Luna, they might listen to the OP more than some random.

[Dante_V]

Hmmm. While I am against having people who haven't cleared join my PF for farms I can't really say that I would be for this. Mainly because it's easily self enforced without the option. Join ---> See Bonus ----> Leave -----> Kick person and or blacklist. If there was a penalty or limitation to backing out of pre-fromed parties I could understand the need but honestly this is very easily self enforced and I would rather have the devs spend time on more content or more need QOL changes than something like this. I wouldn't be upset if they made the change but I don't really think it's necessary at all.

[karateorangutang]

Hmmm. While I am against having people who haven't cleared join my PF for farms I can't really say that I would be for this. Mainly because it's easily self enforced without the option. Join ---> See Bonus ----> Leave -----> Kick person and or blacklist. If there was a penalty or limitation to backing out of pre-fromed parties I could understand the need but honestly this is very easily self enforced and I would rather have the devs spend time on more content or more need QOL changes than something like this. I wouldn't be upset if they made the change but I don't really think it's necessary at all.

but how do you track down a player that wont admit it?

If I'm the guy that's new and I say its not me there is no way for you to prove thats me. We'd have to start the fight, wipe, respawn, leave, kick, get new people, and restart. That's a rather large inconvenience.

[Dante_V]

but how do you track down a player that wont admit it?

If I'm the guy that's new and I say its not me there is no way for you to prove thats me. We'd have to start the fight, wipe, respawn, leave, kick, get new people, and restart. That's a rather large inconvenience.

Easy, link your totem (token clear item like page etc.) or the weapon you bought with it or you are getting kicked. It's that simple. It literally takes seconds and if it's in your retainer well you can go grab it real quick I'll wait a sec. Or even link you achievement. If you can't or refuse, buh bye. There is zero excuse why you wouldn't be able to do one of these things.