Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Whiteroom]

How do people even make the link that it would ever be implemented in DF? Not only does it go against one of the main reasons DF roulette are there, but no other options from PF have made it to DF. Yay for fearmongering.

Also, I really wish the mods would change the title already, the current one attracts too many people who can't read the first post and are unable to understand the difference between Duty Finder and Party Finder. Same goes for that NO More alex NM thread. At least its a lesson in being careful about thread titles I guess. Maybe you should put the request in Luna, they might listen to the OP more than some random.

[Dante_V]

Hmmm. While I am against having people who haven't cleared join my PF for farms I can't really say that I would be for this. Mainly because it's easily self enforced without the option. Join ---> See Bonus ----> Leave -----> Kick person and or blacklist. If there was a penalty or limitation to backing out of pre-fromed parties I could understand the need but honestly this is very easily self enforced and I would rather have the devs spend time on more content or more need QOL changes than something like this. I wouldn't be upset if they made the change but I don't really think it's necessary at all.

[karateorangutang]

Hmmm. While I am against having people who haven't cleared join my PF for farms I can't really say that I would be for this. Mainly because it's easily self enforced without the option. Join ---> See Bonus ----> Leave -----> Kick person and or blacklist. If there was a penalty or limitation to backing out of pre-fromed parties I could understand the need but honestly this is very easily self enforced and I would rather have the devs spend time on more content or more need QOL changes than something like this. I wouldn't be upset if they made the change but I don't really think it's necessary at all.

but how do you track down a player that wont admit it?

If I'm the guy that's new and I say its not me there is no way for you to prove thats me. We'd have to start the fight, wipe, respawn, leave, kick, get new people, and restart. That's a rather large inconvenience.

[Sapphic]

This is such a weak argument though, and I'm tired of seeing people fall back on this as an excuse.

Problem is, many that do this do not want to learn, they don't have the patience, they selfishly join with the intent of letting everyone else kill it for them.

How do people even make the link that it would ever be implemented in DF? Not only does it go against one of the main reasons DF roulette are there, but no other options from PF have made it to DF. Yay for fearmongering.

Digging for any excuse, no matter how outlandish, to try and counter the idea. Aka, they have no real response.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if those objecting to this idea are the ones who do exactly what this idea would stop. Otherwise there is no reason to be against it.

[Dante_V]

but how do you track down a player that wont admit it?

If I'm the guy that's new and I say its not me there is no way for you to prove thats me. We'd have to start the fight, wipe, respawn, leave, kick, get new people, and restart. That's a rather large inconvenience.

Easy, link your totem (token clear item like page etc.) or the weapon you bought with it or you are getting kicked. It's that simple. It literally takes seconds and if it's in your retainer well you can go grab it real quick I'll wait a sec. Or even link you achievement. If you can't or refuse, buh bye. There is zero excuse why you wouldn't be able to do one of these things.

[karateorangutang]

Easy, link your totem (token clear item like page etc.) or the weapon you bought with it or you are getting kicked. It's that simple. It literally takes seconds and if it's in your retainer well you can go grab it real quick I'll wait a sec. Or even link you achievement. If you can't or refuse, buh bye. There is zero excuse why you wouldn't be able to do one of these things.

That would work sure, but what if people throw those out... i mean really I dont need tears in my inventory as I won't need them. So your gonna kick somebody cause they want their inventory clear?

If there was a checkmark in PF that disallowed those without the quest clear then there would be a 0% chance of failure or human error. It takes any misunderstanding or bristling personalities out of the question. How is that possibly a bad thing?

[Eidolon]

Easy, link your totem (token clear item like page etc.) or the weapon you bought with it or you are getting kicked. It's that simple. It literally takes seconds and if it's in your retainer well you can go grab it real quick I'll wait a sec. Or even link you achievement. If you can't or refuse, buh bye. There is zero excuse why you wouldn't be able to do one of these things.

*Walks up to NPC in Iddylshire, links straight from the vendor - both the token and the weapon*

/fc "Hey guys,c an someone link me one of the Hive weapons?"

*Examines random player, links their item instead*

Edit-in: Oh, and don't forget you can just re-link what someone says in party.

Three easy workarounds.

[Dante_V]

*Walks up to NPC in Iddylshire, links straight from the vendor - both the token and the weapon*

/fc "Hey guys,c an someone link me one of the Hive weapons?"

*Examines random player, links their item instead*

Three easy workarounds.

Not one of them is a work around to showing you achievement on your profile when when everyone shows a token and we are still getting the message.

[karateorangutang]

Not one of them is a work around to showing you achievement on your profile when when everyone shows a token and we are still getting the message.

That's still a convoluted process that could easily be handled by the system checking to see if you have the quest clear in your journal. The argument isn't that it cant be done. It's that there is no efficient way for it to be done in the system currently.

[Dante_V]

Let's be real here, if we go in get a message, drop, and demand a show of tokens and 8/8 people show them, well then someones obv lying. Beyond that the chances of the OP's suggestion getting implemented are small for what should be obvious reasons. So you will either proactively weed these people out when the message pops or deal with them there. That's on you. It's a non issue for me. If the people can't be bothered to take ten seconds to actively show they have the achievement then they can find another party.