Block first timers from Party Finder!

[WinterLuna]

@Felmyst

Firstly, you are the rude one coming into my thread and telling me to 'stop complaining.' This is the Forums. I'm very sorry if not every thread is praising Square Enix.

Secondly, you keep talking about the community. Guess what? It's the community causing this problem in the first place. New players can make their own groups, ask for help, make their own linkshells and group of friends like you suggested.

A huge point you seem to be missing is that new players shouldn't even be joining fam parties. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that. It's also not just about skill. Players sneak into farm parties to leech a clear.

People are so obsessed with white knighting the community and trying to play the hero to new players yet it's some of those very players creating this issue.

[Felmyst]

This is the Forums. I'm very sorry if not every thread is praising Square Enix.

By no mean, I praise Squeenix. I've had my shares of problems with them. But that does not mean everyone needs to agree. (Especially during PlayOnline days, to those who remember that.)

Forums are also that. Do not think everyone to always agree with what you bring up, therefore, having to deal with disagreement as well. I will keep stating that I do not agree with this idea. I understand your issue of players sneaking in parties sucks, it is true nobody does enjoy it and it's harsh for the end game community.

The problem is such tool would be abused, and this is what I am against. It is not good for any side because yes your would create a barrier if implanted. Thordan EX is the best example as of right now. PF was filled with people asking experience within the week of it's release. The way I see this again is people just want easy clear and not dealing with players who have no has a physical simulation of the actual fight in the game.

The day I will see more PF about fight learning I might vouch for that, but for now I will still be against it. Think bad names of me if you desire but I voiced my opinion on the matter. So with the amount of folk who come here and say "oh but I love helping people" I call that BS. Because it is omit-present in the actual PF.

It's a legit suggestion/request but if it happens there need to two side to it. Because the item level is already one big step that most party in the finder are already stupidly high. When you demand candy you need to let go some of it.

I am done posting here, not here to fight anyone. Good day everyone.

[Paladinleeds]

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I'd just like to say thanks for your contributions. And yes, the lack of practice groups can be an issue. Though I do question, would this option encourage more practice groups to help those that haven't got the clear?

But in terms of practice groups, I'd feel awkward making a practice group if I'd already cleared the content. But I wasn't afraid to join a practice group for a piece of content I'd already beaten. I just... don't know how to phrase the PF... I don't wanna be creating a practice group when I've already beaten the content and people thinking I'm just doing it to satiate my e-peen.

[WinterLuna]

Though I do question, would this option encourage more practice groups to help those that haven't got the clear?

The amount of people who currently attempt to leech a clear from farm groups is insane. If people literally couldn't join those farm groups, specifically for experienced players, what would they do? They'd have to join, or create, a learning or clear party.

This option wold actually benefit new players a lot. Imagine how many more learning and clear parties would be up since people couldn't join farms for their clear?

If course experienced players can still join and help. I've been /telled a lot by players just asking for a hand with a primal and I've happily joined. This option benefits all players.

[MaeIsMean]

This option wold actually benefit new players a lot. Imagine how many more learning and clear parties would be up since people couldn't join farms for their clear?

If course experienced players can still join and help. I've been /telled a lot by players just asking for a hand with a primal and I've happily joined. This option benefits all players.

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn, when all the people that already know are jumping into the farm groups, because they're faster/easier/more likely to result in a win? When things are said like "I am personally DONE with carrying newbs" (Nailee) it makes me want to crawl in a hole and forget grouping outside of DF because, God forbid, I hurt someone's feelings for not being an expert.

[Stupiduglytaru]

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn, when all the people that already know are jumping into the farm groups, because they're faster/easier/more likely to result in a win? When things are said like "I am personally DONE with carrying newbs" (Nailee) it makes me want to crawl in a hole and forget grouping outside of DF because, God forbid, I hurt someone's feelings for not being an expert.

I'm sorry you feel this way, the anger people have isn't towards newbies in general.

Carrying newbs is just into relation to the new people that randomly join farm groups, these groups should only consist of experienced players that are capable of beating this content multiple times with hardly any wipes.

With mechanics that make use of all players, having someone knew that doesn't know what to do can result in wipe after wipe. A pf leader could spend an hour recruiting "farmers" which upon entering they find bonus reward, in most cases it will cause a few members to rage and effectively disband a whole group.

No one expects you to be a complete expert when your new, that's what learning parties are for.

[Azazua_azura]

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn<snip rest>

I think your misunderstanding what is going on. I'm pretty new myself, but I'm not new to mmo to sneak my way into groups I'm not welcome to. All this option does is give players toolto encforce their party rules. As of right now pf is weak, players can set rules and not able to enforce it they are at the whims of random players. Not one person has lumped hate on any new players. You also may want to urbendictory search the term "carrying", and read the FULL sentence. Thing is though this option doesn't stop you from making your own party.

Point blank we need a more refined Party finder system with filters and options for all players to male the parties they want/need.

[Archaell]

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I wouldn't call it as much optimism as "I want the feature to be implemented". Overselling in such case is kinda expected.

Of course the player base is selfish and in my opinion most of the players aren't going to welcome others who performe worse (have less clears) than them in their groups. "I am at this level, so this level is minimum I expect in my group" mentality is real.

Alongside this feature there should also be rewards for doing duties with first timers - real rewards. Something like four times more loot etc. so that new players are always seeked to be part of groups.

[Naliee]

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn, when all the people that already know are jumping into the farm groups, because they're faster/easier/more likely to result in a win? When things are said like "I am personally DONE with carrying newbs" (Nailee) it makes me want to crawl in a hole and forget grouping outside of DF because, God forbid, I hurt someone's feelings for not being an expert.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I stand by my statement. I am done with carrying newbs who join to farm party when I am set to farming the content.

And like it was stated in many posts before, you can actually make PF yourself, make LS for training, ask FC or friends to help you with clearing. Being a sneaky person and joining to farm party just makes me mad for wasting other people's time and I might even start thinking bad of you as a person when you could be the coolest person to be around.

[MaeIsMean]

And like it was stated in many posts before, you can actually make PF yourself, make LS for training, ask FC or friends to help you with clearing.

Yep, all those things could be done, and I'd have an LS full of people who don't know how to do anything or an empty PF. My FC is very helpful, and I know that with time I can get the things done, so this isn't a thing I would personally do. I am in no hurry to jump in with a bunch of people who care more about clearing 5% faster than being patient with someone who may have done it a few times (or on another character) but still isn't great at it.

I'm just trying to say, when you say things like "I might even start thinking bad of you as a person when you could be the coolest person to be around." you drive away future players that might have bothered to learn a fight enough to farm with you, because, frankly, that's a crappy attitude.