Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Laraul]

Why should players be hamstringed just because someone hasn't gotten a clear. It's in their quest log and so it is their responsibility to facilitate a clear.

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

How is checking for a clear going to prevent people from joining as a role they not familiar playing as. If I clear something as DPS, that doesn't mean I'll be able to properly function as healer or tank. So the same problem still crops up.

[Eidolon]

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It's purely conjecture to try and suggest that this sort of addition would 'kill the party finder.' As a matter of fact, this option might encourage more seasoned party members to lead Farm parties, leading to an increase in the Party finder in total. The reason for this?

Any good Farmer right now with a half-decent FC will seek to build a PF from their FC. Those ones are currently not in the pool - with an option to lock the PF you're in to Clear-only status, however, it would be more likely to attract some of these members.


The PF at the moment is dead, but this option is not in the party finder right now. The reason for this? The content the game offers right now is all solo-content, outside of Savage. You que DF solo for anything you need, and atm the servers social are lacking.

A new player will not be prevented from creating a PF under such a suggested system. But they wouldn't be able to try and hijack a party after waiting half an hour to build a team in PF.

PF isn't begging people for help. It's to draw like minded individuals together into one party using a streamlined process.

[Skivvy]

Does the system consider you new to content until you've actually cleared it, or simply entered it? If the latter, this whole idea would be pointless :X

[Serilda]

I think the inflammatory thread title puts people in a hostile mood before they even enter. It sounds really elitist but then when you read the actual request it's quickly apparent that it's a reasonable suggestion which helps everyone find a suitable party for what they want to do more effectively.

I'm struggling to think of a way that having more filters would make Party Finder worse; heck, it might make people use it more so more people can find groups, and nothing is stopping newcomers from making their own rival party finder groups that don't require a clear. The only thing that makes these requests go unanswered is that the staff probably don't realise how rough people have it. I would genuinely be shocked to find someone lying their way into a PF group I made without meeting the requirements because the culture is so different across regions; it sucks that it's such a problem on other servers.

[Naliee]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

So... you blame the leader if (sneaky)newb joins to FARM party when PF comment says "no bonus/newbs" and then you have to waste more time to find rep for that person?

[Archaell]

There are always players who seek the way of the least resistance. If you have choice to get carried or to wipe several times till all players learn the fight, which one would you take? Some don't consider lying their way in farm party to be immoral.

In situations like these the game developers have to create features to prevent such behaviour. Imagine how would the game look if there were no item level requirements at all... not saying that these are sufficient.

Basically if the community can't prevent misbehaviour on its own then it is time to create restrictions or give players tools to filter their PF members.

[WinterLuna]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader!

So it's my fault that someone doesn't tell me they are new and messes up my entire party? No, a bonus message doesn't tell me who is new. It tells me that someone of 7 people is new.

Also maybe I need to explain the huge point you seem to be missing - players join, DO know what to do but then leave after they've got their clear. It doesn't take a brain scientist to know why having a clear only option would help this. You're either completely missing the point or trying to white knight the community when in fact, this wouldn't even be an issue if the community was honest and didn't try leeching off other people.

[karateorangutang]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

How is checking for a clear going to prevent people from joining as a role they not familiar playing as. If I clear something as DPS, that doesn't mean I'll be able to properly function as healer or tank. So the same problem still crops up.

Right now the party founder doesn't have the tools necessary though. All this is calling for is to provide that tool to the party founder. Additionally, if you have cleared before then you at least know the general rules of phase shifts and mechanics. It's easy to figure things from there.

The point is would you give a carpenter a pipe wrench and ask him to build a cabinet?

No, that would be ridiculous. It's not really far off base to what is happening with PF currently.

[Ashkendor]

I got a better idea. block obnoxious elitist twerps from the party finder. If you've cleared it 'infinity-1' amount of times.. find your own group.

Shit like this is why this game's community SUCKS.

I'm assuming by 'obnoxious elitist twerps' you actually mean 'people that want to farm in peace without being sabotaged by a tidal wave of bads just looking for a carry' here but are having trouble coming up with the right words. That's okay. We know what you really mean and that's kinda the entire point of the thread. Making it easier for us 'obnoxious elitist twerps' to find our own groups.

If you really believe that us wanting to farm something makes a bad community, you should remove the tinfoil hat. Many of the people you're slapping with derogatory labels are the very same ones that are willing to help new people clear. The thing is, we shouldn't be forced to help when we are of a mind to actually get other things done. When I want to farm, I farm. When I want to help, I help. Simple.

So put 'must have win' in the PF comment. This is pretty effective. But if people ignore it, too bad. That's the risk you take when using the party finder. If you wanted an experienced group you'd grab people you know are reliable and form a party on your own.

Putting 'must have win' in the comment isn't very effective at all. If it was, this thread wouldn't even be a thing. When I put together a farm party, I do hit up my friends and linkshells first, but sometimes people are busy or just not feeling it and you can only get 6/8 or 7/8. That's when we go to PF to pug the last members. You're trying to make arguments for Party Finder here (where you are able to filter for the type of players that you'd like) that are actually better suited for Duty Finder (where you get completely random people). We're using Party Finder for its intended purpose and all we're asking for is for the tools we have (the check boxes) to actually physically enforce what we're looking for by not allowing people that don't meet the criteria to join in the first place, thereby avoiding the hassle.

I really don't understand why people keep trying to argue that this will "kill the community" or "kill party finder" or other various alarmist nonsense. All we're asking for is for the tools we have to actually be supported by the code instead of leaving the sorting out up to us.

[WinterLuna]

Does the system consider you new to content until you've actually cleared it, or simply entered it? If the latter, this whole idea would be pointless :X

You will have had to clear the content, as in defeat the duty.