Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Laraul]

Why should players be hamstringed just because someone hasn't gotten a clear. It's in their quest log and so it is their responsibility to facilitate a clear.

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

How is checking for a clear going to prevent people from joining as a role they not familiar playing as. If I clear something as DPS, that doesn't mean I'll be able to properly function as healer or tank. So the same problem still crops up.

[Naliee]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

So... you blame the leader if (sneaky)newb joins to FARM party when PF comment says "no bonus/newbs" and then you have to waste more time to find rep for that person?

[WinterLuna]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader!

So it's my fault that someone doesn't tell me they are new and messes up my entire party? No, a bonus message doesn't tell me who is new. It tells me that someone of 7 people is new.

Also maybe I need to explain the huge point you seem to be missing - players join, DO know what to do but then leave after they've got their clear. It doesn't take a brain scientist to know why having a clear only option would help this. You're either completely missing the point or trying to white knight the community when in fact, this wouldn't even be an issue if the community was honest and didn't try leeching off other people.

[karateorangutang]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

How is checking for a clear going to prevent people from joining as a role they not familiar playing as. If I clear something as DPS, that doesn't mean I'll be able to properly function as healer or tank. So the same problem still crops up.

Right now the party founder doesn't have the tools necessary though. All this is calling for is to provide that tool to the party founder. Additionally, if you have cleared before then you at least know the general rules of phase shifts and mechanics. It's easy to figure things from there.

The point is would you give a carpenter a pipe wrench and ask him to build a cabinet?

No, that would be ridiculous. It's not really far off base to what is happening with PF currently.

[Whiteroom]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

How is checking for a clear going to prevent people from joining as a role they not familiar playing as. If I clear something as DPS, that doesn't mean I'll be able to properly function as healer or tank. So the same problem still crops up.

Not sure if you're serious here:
I would like a tool for party leaders to better set up farm parties.

No! You will not have a tool for party leaders to set up proper parties! It is the job of the party leader to set up proper parties!

As to your last question, it has been answered many a time in this thread.
1. It will mean you have some idea of how the content is played at the very least.
2. One of the main reasons was to set up a farm party. To prevent those who join for the clear and leave after one run causing the party to fall apart, from ruining the party. Or is this a bad thing? tbh, this kills PF far more than not having the option does.
3. Also, it is not a 100% promise of totally skilled players, but you are more likely to get one with it. If you think they should only be implementing things that have a 100% success rates, you are being foolish, as this is nearly impossible.

I got a better idea. block obnoxious elitist twerps from the party finder. If you've cleared it 'infinity-1' amount of times.. find your own group.

Shit like this is why this game's community SUCKS.

Umm. I'm going to assume you were someone who read the thread title and nothing else. But yeah.... Isn't finding your own group what PF is for?