Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Brill_]

Oh, and you realise this is an option I'm asking for, right? Nobody is 'banning' anyone.

But it's the only sure fire way to keep people from crashing your farm parties. I never said I thought it was ok for inexperienced people to join farm parties. People should stick with parties they are qualified for.

Let's face facts, if you don't clear content on the first day, good luck clearing it at all. I remember doing WoD 16 hours after it was released and there were already experienced people raging at the first timers for not knowing the fight. Just the way the community is in this game: intolerant of failure.

[WinterLuna]

But it's the only sure fire way to keep people from crashing your farm parties.

Let's face facts, if you don't clear content on the first day, good luck clearing it at all. I remember doing WoD 16 hours after it was released and there were already experienced people raging at the first timers for not knowing the fight. Just the way the community is in this game: intolerant of failure.

Good, because people shouldn't be crashing my farm parties. That's the entire point. Your point of view seems as though you don't want this option because your only way of clearing something is to sneak into a farm party.

As I said, people do help others. You can ignore me all you like, but I know myself how many clear parties I've helped with purely to help people clear, and this is extremely old content like Ifrit or Thornmarch Ex.

The only reason people wouldn't like this option is because they want to sneak into farm parties. Period.

Thunda_Cat_SMASH, post limit so I'll reply here. How many times must I repeat myself, or are you just blatantly ignoring me for the sake of argument? People do help others believe it or not! Sure, I'm asking for this setting, because sometimes I want to do my own thing. But I actually spend a lot of my time helping out with clears and learning, which are mostly random party finders.

I refuse to believe you have never received help. If there aren't any learning or clear parties, make your own. 'Learning/clear parties are rare enough as it is,' so your logic is to not allow this setting so people can still use farm parties for their clear? Makes no sense.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Oh wow, gee. I didn't know I'd snuck into farm parties before. I make it a point to not join parties I'm not qualified for, but eh.

The reason I don't like this idea is because learning/clear parties are rare enough as is. With this, why would anyone even bother helping people get their first clear?

[Colorful]

Oh wow, gee. I didn't know I'd snuck into farm parties before. I make it a point to not join parties I'm not qualified for, but eh.

The reason I don't like this idea is because learning/clear parties are rare enough as is. With this, why would anyone even bother helping people get their first clear?

People need to learn to create their own parties instead of ruining the enjoyment of other people selfishly. I only cleared BisEX after a few weeks and during the times I played there was rarely ever a party, what did I do? Create one, you'd be surprised at how quick they fill up and the constant comments like "I was waiting for ages for someone to create a party". Leading a party isn't some amazing feat, anyone can do it. Step up and create your own if there isn't one.

[Brill_]

People need to learn to create their own parties instead of ruining the enjoyment of other people selfishly. I only cleared BisEX after a few weeks and during the times I played there was rarely ever a party, what did I do? Create one, you'd be surprised at how quick they fill up and the constant comments like "I was waiting for ages for someone to create a party". Leading a party isn't some amazing feat, anyone can do it. Step up and create your own if there isn't one.

Funny how you guys keep accusing other people of being selfish, yet the entire motive behind this idea is selfish. I create my own PF all the time, very few actually fill up. If they do, they fall apart when someone rage quits after a wipe or two.

[Colorful]

Funny how you guys keep accusing other people of being selfish, yet the entire motive behind this idea is selfish.

Perhaps it is selfish, but I'm also taking into consideration the 6 other people in my party (excluding the one newbie who joins) because as you may know, most difficult content is 8 man. I'll admit, this suggestion is rather selfish, but joining and wasting 7 other people's time is far, far more selfish. It's the lesser of the two evils so to speak. I don't even know why I bother arguing about this though, I know SE is never going to implement this because they want everyone to be babied. Oh, Steps of Faith requires you to click some buttons and man two cannons? Better nerf it!

I create my own PF all the time, very few actually fill up.

Has it always been like this, or just recently? The game has been rather dead, but that stands to be SE's fault. You have two options here, move to a more populated server (I have no idea if Siren is populated), or if you can't due to friends and FC members, ask them to help you. What are friends for, right? I know I'd more than gladly help a friend who needs to get through Bismarck, even though I dislike that instance more than I do Neverreap (why are tornadoes even a thing?).

If they do, they fall apart when someone rage quits after a wipe or two.

On a somewhat related note, this is yet another reason I hate it when a newbie joins a farm party. They get their clear, and then leave. This has happened every time without exception. Are they unable to comprehend what "farm party" means? You know, I wouldn't mind carrying the occasional newbie if it weren't for this. The worst part is, when one person leaves so does the rest. I don't understand why the FFXIV community does this, no other MMO I've played has that "One player has left, we're all doomed" mentality.

[WinterLuna]

Funny how you guys keep accusing other people of being selfish, yet the entire motive behind this idea is selfish.

So I'm selfish because I actually want to do my own thing every now and again without it being messed up? Even though I spend around 70% of my time helping other people? I dont even need to defend myself with a comment as ridiculous as that.

Oh, and you know what else is funny? It wasn't relevant, but I got Kirin a long time ago. The only reason I farm now is to get crafting drops such as the whisker or vortex feather, 1) to get my boyfriend a Moogle weapon, and 2) to sell to raise money to get my FC a house. But obviously I'm a very selfish person and it's all for my own benefit.

[Whiteroom]

I think you need to Google the definition of 'selfish'. Some people actually enjoy helping others you know. You should try it sometime. It's actually rather sad you have that attitude but it seems you're just trying to find any way to argue with the suggestion. Replying to you is getting kind of boring now as your points are all completely self-opinionated, so have a nice day.

^this although it is painting a picture of why they have trouble filling their PF parties. People do build reputations. I know I'll always look at the name of the person forming the party before joining.

It's amazing though that the mods have deleted posts in this thread, but not yet adjusted the title.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Through the PF, I have never recieved help, at all, ever since I started playing way back in 2.0. Even when I would put up learning or clear parties for relevant content, not a single party would ever fill up, even if I advertised it. Three hours without a nibble, nightly, for weeks is not going to leave a good impression on anybody. As a matter of fact, The only times I've ever managed to even clear content that requires a full party is when I run with people I know, on the rare chance people aren't doing other stuff. I've even tried to look for a static through PF, ffs, and nothing. People don't join learning parties, they don't join clear parties, at the very least, on my own server. Perhaps a rare nice guy will on others, but not this one.

[Whiteroom]

Through the PF, I have never recieved help, at all, ever since I started playing way back in 2.0. Even when I would put up learning or clear parties for relevant content... ...People don't join learning parties, they don't join clear parties, at the very least, on my own server. Perhaps a rare nice guy will on others, but not this one.

Maybe its in how you are selling it. I see PFs fill up quite fast on my server. I'll think "I have time to go to this hunt before joining." Then I turn around and either the heal spots are filled, or its filled and they're in.

You've been playing since 2.0, don't you have LS and FC that can at least start helping fill it?

Funny thing is, if this was implemented, learning and clear parties would fill up more because people can't sneak into farm parties for clears anymore.

A very good point, without being able to sneak in their clears, they will have to join the appropriate party. And who knows, maybe they'll actually learn it along the way, rather than being carried through, ignoring mechanics, or floor tanking.